It’s, (roughly) the 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day of
the 11th month. In the US it’s Veteran’s Day, in Europe it’s
Armistice Day, but …
I want to thank everyone who served their country in the military,
regadless of country or military.
—
- dillon I am not invalid
"Always shoot first. At the very least you’ll
distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
— Lazurus Long
The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
set by their 2010 sporting regulations):
No Driver Entrant Constructor
1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
3 Nico ROSBERG (D) BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
4 TBA BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
5 Sebastian VETTEL (D) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
6 Mark WEBBER (AUS) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
7 Felipe MASSA (BR) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
8 Fernando ALONSO (E) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
9 Rubens BARRICHELLO (BR) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
10 Nico HULKENBERG (D) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
11 Robert KUBICA (PL) RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
12 TBA RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
14 Adrian SUTIL (D) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
15 Vitantonio LIUZZI (I) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
16 Sebastien BUEMI (CH) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
17 TBA SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
18 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
19 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
20 TBA CAMPOS META 1 CAMPOS DALLARA
21 Bruno SENNA (BR) CAMPOS META 1 CAMPOS DALLARA
22 TBA US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
23 TBA US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
24 Timo GLOCK (D) VIRGIN RACING VIRGIN COSWORTH
25 TBA VIRGIN RACING VIRGIN COSWORTH
No major surprises. Minor surprises:
- While Manor’s expected renaming to Virgin Racing has taken place,
Brawn’s to Mercedes Grand Prix is relegated to a footnote saying
they’ve indicated their "intention" to do so.
- Neither Toyota nor [BMW] Sauber is listed. Another footnote:
"Toyota Motorsport GmbH remains formally bound by the Concorde
Agreement to put forward a team for participation, though it has
indicated that it will not be in a position to do so. "An
announcement will be made regarding this entry in due course."
Whoever ends up running in the 13th slot will evidently be
assigned numbers 26 and 27; wonder if Bernie will put them at
the end of the pit lane.
Non-surprises:
- Drivers listed.
– Confirmation of Renault power for Red Bull. Really, what other
possibility was there?
Likely red herring:
- The "Constructor" for entrant Campos Meta 1 reflects the folks
actually building the car ("Campos Dallara"); the omission of
mention of an engine is almost certainly an oversight.
–
Mark Jackson – http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
Not knowing is much more interesting than believing
an answer that might be wrong. - Richard Feynman
BBC is reporting that Barrichello and Hulkenberg have signed for Williams.
Nico Rosberg is expected to move to Brawn.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8337807.stm
Marcus
Apologies for getting so far behind with the usual stats. I’ll try and get them all done
before too long. I’m proposing to do all remaining races in each category posted in one
thread, so the other Top Speed stats will follow in this thread.
Believe it not, but some people miss these and actually save them for posterity 
Top Speed Comparisons #13 – Monza
=================================
I posted these comparisons from 2006 to 2008 to illustrate changes in top speeds as
measured through the speed traps.
These were the top speeds registered by each driver during the event.
Team Driver Sess Speed
===========================================
F India-Mercedes Sutil R 344.8 kph
T Rosso-Ferrari Alguersuari P1 344.1
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 343.8
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld R 343.8
Red Bull-Renault Vettel R 343.1
F India-Mercedes Liuzzi R 342.8
T Rosso-Ferrari Buemi R 342.6
Brawn-Mercedes Barrichello R 342.5
Brawn-Mercedes Button R 342.3
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 342.3
Toyota Glock R 341.5
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 341.0
McLaren-Mercedes Kovalainen R 340.0
Toyota Trulli R 339.4
Ferrari Räikkönen Q1 339.4
Ferrari Fisichella Q2 339.3
Renault Alonso P2 339.1
Williams-Toyota Rosberg R 338.5
Williams-Toyota Nakajima R 338.3
Renault Grosjean P2 337.2
The first table (below) compares the 2008 team/driver combination with the equivalent
2009 team/driver – the same driver if possible, otherwise the 2008 driver is compared
to his 2009 replacement. This comparison is intended as a team comparison, but the first
(driver) table is also of some interest – but should be read with care.
Notes
=====
Honda have been renamed Brawn-Mercedes and Force India have switched from Ferrari to
Mercedes engines.
‘S#’ Session in which the top speed was recorded (P1/P2/P3/Q1/Q2/Q3/R)
‘Diff’ difference in top speed (km/hr)
‘%Dif’ difference in top speed (as percentage of 2008 speed)
Italian GP 2008/2009
====================
2008 2009
Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif. %Dif.
=========================================================================
[Honda] Barrichello P2 336.7 Barrichello R 342.5 +5.8 +1.72
[Honda] Button P2 336.7 Button R 342.3 +5.6 +1.66
[F India-Ferrari] Sutil P2 339.3 Sutil R 344.8 +5.5 +1.62
Red Bull-Renault Webber P2 338.9 Webber Q1 343.8 +4.9 +1.45
Williams-Toyota Rosberg P2 333.7 Rosberg R 338.5 +4.8 +1.44
[F India-Ferrari] Fisichella P2 338.1 Liuzzi R 342.8 +4.7 +1.39
T Rosso-Ferrari Bourdais P2 340.3 Alguersuari P1 344.1 +3.8 +1.12
Toyota Glock P2 339.1 Glock R 341.5 +2.4 +0.71
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel P2 340.4 Buemi R 342.6 +2.2 +0.65
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P2 341.2 Vettel R 343.1 +1.9 +0.56
Renault Alonso P2 338.4 Alonso P2 339.1 +0.7 +0.21
Williams-Toyota Nakajima P2 337.8 Nakajima R 338.3 +0.5 +0.15
Toyota Trulli P2 339.0 Trulli R 339.4 +0.4 +0.12
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld P2 343.4 Heidfeld R 343.8 +0.4 +0.12
Renault Piquet P2 338.1 Grosjean P2 337.2 -0.9 -0.27
Ferrari Räikkönen P2 341.4 Räikkönen Q1 339.4 -2.0 -0.59
Ferrari Massa P2 341.4 Fisichella Q2 339.3 -2.1 -0.62
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica P2 344.1 Kubica Q1 341.0 -3.1 -0.90
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton P2 346.8 Hamilton Q1 342.3 -4.5 -1.30
McLaren-Mercedes Kovalainen P2 344.8 Kovalainen R 340.0 -4.8 -1.39
Fourteen drivers managed better top speeds than in 2008. Note that most of the
2008 event was wet.
The second table compares the top speed achieved by each team (IE the top
speed of both drivers), and as such is a better comparison.
2008 2009
Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Diff. %Diff.
=========================================================================
[Honda] Barrichello P2 336.7 Barrichello R 342.5 +5.8 +1.72
[F India-Ferrari] Sutil P2 339.3 Sutil R 344.8 +5.5 +1.62
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel P2 340.4 Alguersuari P1 344.1 +3.7 +1.09
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P2 341.2 Webber Q1 343.8 +2.6 +0.76
Toyota Glock P2 339.1 Glock R 341.5 +2.4 +0.71
Renault Alonso P2 338.4 Alonso P2 339.1 +0.7 +0.21
Williams-Toyota Nakajima P2 337.8 Rosberg R 338.5 +0.7 +0.21
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica P2 344.1 Heidfeld R 343.8 -0.3 -0.09
Ferrari Räikkönen P2 341.4 Räikkönen Q1 339.4 -2.0 -0.59
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton P2 346.8 Hamilton Q1 342.3 -4.5 -1.30
Only BMW Sauber, Ferrari & McLaren were unable to improve.
Taking the positions from table 2 at each race (1 is most improved, 10 is
least improved) and averaging them gives a season average position.
Team R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 10 11 R12 R13 Tot Avg.
========================================================================
1. F India-Mercedes 3 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 - 3 2 8 2 28 2.33
2. Brawn-Mercedes 2 6 5 4 2 3 5 3 - 2 1 2 1 36 3.00
3. Red Bull-Renault 5 1 2 7 5 4 4 5 - 4 9 6 4 56 4.67
4. Toyota 10 4 6 2 7 8 9 2 - 9 6 3 5 71 5.92
5. Renault 7 3 7 9 3 10 2 7 - 7 7 4 6 72 6.00
6. Williams-Toyota 6 8 8 8 6 6 6 4 - 10 4 5 7 78 6.50
T Rosso-Ferrari 4 7 4 5 9 9 3 9 - 8 8 9 3 78 6.50
8. Ferrari 8 9 1 10 10 2 10 8 - 6 5 1 9 79 6.58
BMW Sauber-BMW 1 5 9 6 8 7 7 6 - 5 10 7 8 79 6.58
10. McLaren-Mercedes 9 10 10 3 4 5 8 10 - 1 3 10 10 83 6.92
All data from www.fia.com or www.formula1.com.
–
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawre…@msn.com
So – Bridgestone out after 2010. There’s time to line up another source
of tires, but what other manufacturer is likely to step up?
And – Toyota out immediately. What are the penalties for leaving before
2012 under the new Concorde agreement? Why is the FIA talking about
needing to clarify the legal situation (especially as this prolongs the
uncertainty around Sauber Qadbak’s entry)? And why are the FIA and
Ferrari sniping at each other again over cost containment?
Oh, and does anyone think that if the Renault board had decided today to
continue in F1 they wouldn’t have announced it immediately (rather than
delaying past their PR event already scheduled for Thursday)?
–
Mark Jackson – http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
Not knowing is much more interesting than believing
an answer that might be wrong. - Richard Feynman
Best Lap Comparison – Italian GP 2009
=====================================
Q: How does the best lap of the whole weekend (3 practice sessions, 3 qualifying
periods and the race) compare to the best lap of the weekend in 2008?
Here are two tables – one compares driver with driver; easy enough if the same
driver remains in the same team. If not we compare the 2008 driver with the guy
who replaced him.
Note: Honda has morphed into Brawn-Mercedes, while Force India have switched
from Ferrari to Mercedes power.
‘S’ is the session when the best lap was achieved (P1/P2/P3/Q1/Q2/Q3/R)
‘Lps’ are the total laps in all sessions
‘Diff’ is the gain/loss in seconds
‘%Diff’ is the difference in time as a percentage of the 2008 time
Negative Diff/%Diff mean that the driver/team improved. Positive means they got worse.
There can be several reasons for the variations seen.
2008 Team 2008 Driver S Lps Time 2009 Driver S Lps Time Diff. %Diff
=========================================================================================
Renault Piquet P2 109 1’26.195 Grosjean Q2 138 1’23.728 -2.467 -2.86
[Honda] Button P2 123 1’25.309 Button Q2 153 1’22.955 -2.354 -2.76
[Honda] Barrichello P2 111 1’25.296 Barrichello Q2 155 1’22.976 -2.320 -2.72
Toyota Trulli P2 130 1’25.753 Trulli Q2 152 1’23.611 -2.142 -2.50
F India-[Ferrari] Fisichella P2 82 1’25.204 Liuzzi Q2 137 1’23.207 -1.997 -2.34
Renault Alonso P2 123 1’25.481 Alonso Q2 151 1’23.497 -1.984 -2.32
F India-[Ferrari] Sutil P2 114 1’24.669 Sutil Q2 150 1’23.070 -1.599 -1.89
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P2 112 1’25.100 Vettel Q2 127 1’23.545 -1.555 -1.83
Toyota Glock P2 138 1’25.397 Glock P3 138 1’23.959 -1.438 -1.68
Red Bull-Renault Webber P2 120 1’24.521 Webber Q2 81 1’23.273 -1.248 -1.48
Williams-Toyota Nakajima P2 106 1’25.330 Nakajima Q1 146 1’24.074 -1.256 -1.47
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton P2 106 1’23.983 Hamilton Q2 151 1’22.973 -1.010 -1.20
T Rosso-Ferrari Bourdais P2 147 1’25.192 Buemi Q1 166 1’24.220 -0.972 -1.14
McLaren-Mercedes Kovalainen P2 113 1’24.365 Kovalainen Q1 168 1’23.515 -0.850 -1.01
Ferrari Räikkönen P2 113 1’23.861 Räikkönen Q1 166 1’23.349 -0.512 -0.61
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld P2 121 1’23.947 Heidfeld P3 144 1’23.490 -0.457 -0.54
Ferrari Massa P2 127 1’24.247 Fisichella Q1 147 1’23.828 -0.419 -0.50
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica P2 108 1’23.931 Kubica Q2 110 1’23.866 -0.065 -0.08
Williams-Toyota Rosberg P2 136 1’24.110 Rosberg Q1 151 1’24.121 +0.011 +0.01
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel P2 140 1’24.773 Alguersuari Q1 104 1’24.951 +0.178 +0.21
Notes
Only Nico Rosberg and Jaime Alguersuari were unable to better the equivalent time from 2008.
It should be noted that all the 2008 best times were set during Friday practice, the only
dry sessions that weekend.
The second table takes the best lap time from both drivers in each team and compares
with the equivalent team last season. Probably a better comparison.
2008 Team 2008 Driver S Lps Time 2009 Driver S Lps Time Diff. %Diff
=========================================================================================
[Honda] Barrichello P2 234 1’25.296 Button Q2 308 1’22.955 -2.341 -2.74
Renault Alonso P2 232 1’25.481 Alonso Q2 289 1’23.497 -1.984 -2.32
Toyota Glock P2 268 1’25.397 Trulli Q2 290 1’23.611 -1.786 -2.09
F India-[Ferrari] Sutil P2 196 1’24.669 Sutil Q2 187 1’23.070 -1.599 -1.89
Red Bull-Renault Webber P2 232 1’24.521 Webber Q2 208 1’23.273 -1.248 -1.48
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton P2 219 1’23.983 Hamilton Q2 319 1’22.973 -1.010 -1.20
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel P2 287 1’24.773 Buemi Q1 270 1’24.220 -0.553 -0.65
Ferrari Räikkönen P2 240 1’23.861 Räikkönen Q1 313 1’23.349 -0.512 -0.61
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica P2 229 1’23.931 Heidfeld P3 254 1’23.490 -0.441 -0.53
Williams-Toyota Rosberg P2 242 1’24.110 Nakajima Q1 297 1’24.074 -0.036 -0.04
All 10 teams were quicker than last year, partly due to the weather in 2008.
Taking the positions of the teams from table 2 we can produce an average position for
the season to date.
Team R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 10 11 12 13 Tot Avg.
=======================================================================
1. Brawn-Mercedes 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 - 4 1 2 1 18 1.50
2. F India-Mercedes 8 6 1 1 5 2 3 5 - 2 2 1 4 40 3.33
3. Red Bull-Renault 2 4 3 3 2 4 4 6 - 3 3 5 5 44 3.67
4. Williams-Toyota 3 2 4 6 3 7 2 2 - 1 4 4 10 48 4.00
5. Toyota 4 3 5 7 4 9 5 3 - 10 7 3 3 63 5.25
6. Renault 5 5 6 4 8 5 6 4 - 7 6 7 2 65 5.42
7. T Rosso-Ferrari 10 7 8 5 6 3 7 9 - 6 10 10 7 88 7.33
8. BMW Sauber-BMW 7 8 7 9 9 10 8 8 - 5 8 6 9 94 7.83
9. Ferrari 6 9 9 10 7 6 9 7 - 9 9 8 8 97 8.08
10. McLaren-Mercedes 9 10 10 8 10 8 10 10 - 8 5 9 6 103 8.58
–
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawre…@msn.com
It’s, (roughly) the 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day of
the 11th month. In the US it’s Veteran’s Day, in Europe it’s
Armistice Day, but …
I want to thank everyone who served their country in the military,
regadless of country or military.
—
- dillon I am not invalid
"Always shoot first. At the very least you’ll
distract the guy enough to make the second one count"
— Lazurus Long
The "official" entry list has been posted by the FIA (on the deadline
set by their 2010 sporting regulations):
No Driver Entrant Constructor
1 Jenson BUTTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
2 Lewis HAMILTON (GB) VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES McLAREN MERCEDES
3 Nico ROSBERG (D) BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
4 TBA BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM BRAWN MERCEDES
5 Sebastian VETTEL (D) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
6 Mark WEBBER (AUS) RED BULL RACING RED BULL RENAULT
7 Felipe MASSA (BR) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
8 Fernando ALONSO (E) SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO FERRARI
9 Rubens BARRICHELLO (BR) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
10 Nico HULKENBERG (D) AT&T WILLIAMS WILLIAMS COSWORTH
11 Robert KUBICA (PL) RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
12 TBA RENAULT F1 TEAM RENAULT
14 Adrian SUTIL (D) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
15 Vitantonio LIUZZI (I) FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
16 Sebastien BUEMI (CH) SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
17 TBA SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO STR FERRARI
18 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
19 TBA LOTUS F1 RACING LOTUS COSWORTH
20 TBA CAMPOS META 1 CAMPOS DALLARA
21 Bruno SENNA (BR) CAMPOS META 1 CAMPOS DALLARA
22 TBA US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
23 TBA US F1 TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
24 Timo GLOCK (D) VIRGIN RACING VIRGIN COSWORTH
25 TBA VIRGIN RACING VIRGIN COSWORTH
No major surprises. Minor surprises:
- While Manor’s expected renaming to Virgin Racing has taken place,
Brawn’s to Mercedes Grand Prix is relegated to a footnote saying
they’ve indicated their "intention" to do so.
- Neither Toyota nor [BMW] Sauber is listed. Another footnote:
"Toyota Motorsport GmbH remains formally bound by the Concorde
Agreement to put forward a team for participation, though it has
indicated that it will not be in a position to do so. "An
announcement will be made regarding this entry in due course."
Whoever ends up running in the 13th slot will evidently be
assigned numbers 26 and 27; wonder if Bernie will put them at
the end of the pit lane.
Non-surprises:
- Drivers listed.
– Confirmation of Renault power for Red Bull. Really, what other
possibility was there?
Likely red herring:
- The "Constructor" for entrant Campos Meta 1 reflects the folks
actually building the car ("Campos Dallara"); the omission of
mention of an engine is almost certainly an oversight.
–
Mark Jackson – http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
Not knowing is much more interesting than believing
an answer that might be wrong. - Richard Feynman
Has anyone else installed the F1 Insider app for the iPhone? I’ve got
the "light" version and was curious if anyone had the full up. If so,
do you like it?
—
- dillon I am not invalid
"Iran wants nukes? North Korea wants nukes?
I’m sure we can give them some. Or the Navy."
- former B52 wing commander
Not sure this is a spoiler but better to be sure.
Wow another great race.
My drive of the day went to Liuzzi. Up to about lap 13 he was running
third on projected times and when he stopped was only a couple of
seconds behind Hamilton on graining option tyres so on the prime he
was bound to be a tad quicker meaning after LH’s exit he would have
picked up a podium on his first race back in F1. Not a bad effort. Sad
thing is the commentators concentrated on Sutil and ignored Liuzzi’s
great performance. Also on fuel corrected times Liuzzi matched Sutil’s
qually or maybe even a hundredth quicker.
I’ve also got to give a serve to Legard who said "Good news, Webber is
Off!!!!", and they claim they are not biased, what a load of male cow
excrement.
They also failed to point out that Hamilton would not have been 2
seconds quicker than Sutil if he did not have Kimi slowing him down.
Also Brundle said a two stopper was better! No it was not!!! as shown,
Jeeze they can be stupid!!!
Now I’ve given them a serve I have to say I reckon they are a better
team than last years, Legard has somehow improved Brundle’s commentary
as well.
(a little side note) A bloke sends me an email newsletter from James
Allen and it has improved by a mile this year, he is much better in
print than on a mic. So if you get the opportunity it’s worth the time
to read it.
I had to laugh when Brundle said "Mission control looks relaxed",
bloody bull dung, watch the blokes chewing gum!!@@!! I’m told a few
years back they had a medical team monitor those ‘Mission Control’
blokes and their heart rates go crazy. One problem is they build up a
heap of adrenalin and because they are sitting can’t burn it, that
causes them to yawn especially at the start. A spectator may interpret
that as boredom, it’s not. If you could see inside the drivers helmets
on the grid you’d see them yawn too but after the start they burn off
that adrenalin rather more quickly than the poor ‘Mission Control’
blokes.
Interesting to note that LH was quicker on the prime yet HK was
quicker on the option, hmmm, same thing at Brawn too. Which brings me
to the point that tyres this year are most unpredictable and the
incredibly brilliant engineers do not understand why. That has been
the biggest contributor in creating the unpredictable and exciting
races we’ve had. It occurred to me that FOTA should direct Bridgstone
to keep the tyres as unpredictable as possible which is the opposite
of what the engineers want. That along with banning the Double
Diffuser and a further clean-up of aero may just give us back the
excitement of the early seventies. Especially if these regs were
brought in rather late in the season as along with restricted
resources that would bring about a (more) level playing field.
enough rambling. Who was your driver of the day?
beers,
build
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