"That’s as fast as our car goes and we are going as fast as our car goes.
That’s it. There’s not much you can do about it," said Montoya. Montoya’s
mood of resignation was shared by McLaren for whom David Coulthard was
fourth. At least the Scotsman finished.
"Nobody had a chance against the Ferraris," said Norbert Haug, Mercedes
technical director.
The mood was shared by many drivers.
Reported by www.formula1.com
There will undoubtedly be another 1-2 win by Ferrari at Monza.
Ron
Any use to you lot?
>From a competitions newsgroup:-
From: "Russell, John J" <hjr64…@GlaxoWellcome.co.uk>
Date: 03 September 2002 15:54
I realise it’s a bit early for Saturday swaps, but these tickets are for
Sat 7th Sep, and I am unable to go, is anyone interested ?
Goodwood Revival Meeting – The star drivers of yesteryear (Stirling
Moss, John Surtees, Jack Brabham, Phil Hill, Derek Bell etc.) battle it
out with the stars of today (David Coulthard, Damon Hill, Jason Plato,
Will Hoy etc.) in classic racing cars and bikes, worth over £20 million
. Competitors and spectators will be sporting 1950′s period dress (not
compulsory). See www.goodwood.co.uk for further details. One spare pair
of tickets for Saturday 7th September, worth £25 ea, any offer’s ?.
–
Emma http://altgallery.shows.it
The Chocolate Monster http://chocmonster.rules.it
NOT the Brian Lawrence statistics but following his method as well as I can
based on the lap chart available. As is apparent, the clock has gone back
to 1958. With all the current fuss about passing (lack thereof) I though it
would be interesting to compare; I was surprised by the results.
Lap Place Passer (Passed)
=================================
2 1 Musso (Brooks)
2 3 Hawthorn (Gendebien)
2 5 Gregory (Lewis Evans)
2 6 Lewis Evans (Brabham) – I think
2 8 Allison (Schell)
3 1 Brooks (Musso)
3 9 ? (Schell)
3 12 Bonnier (Trintignant)
4 1 Musso (Brooks)
Gendebien drops to last after a spin)
5 1 Brooks (Musso)
5 7 Gregory (Brabham)
5 9 Schell (Salvadori)
8 5 Salvadori ( Brabham?)
8 11 Gendebien (de Felippis)
11 4 Salvadori (Allison)
11 10 Gendebien (Godia?)
13 6 Schell (Brabham?)
13 7 Trintignant (Brabham? who expired shortly)
16 8 Gendebien (Gregory – also)
18 7 Gendebien (Trintignant)
19 5 Schell (Salvadori)
21 6 Gendebien (Salvadori)
23 7 Trintignant (Salvadori)
That’s 24 passes – a bit over the current era average of 17. The 17 number,
though, is a bit skewed by some really astonishing events (51 passes at Spa
in ’97 !?!)
Lap chart from Automobile Year 1958.
Keith
These were Autosport/Mark Hughes’s driver ratings for the Hungaroring (points
out of 10):
9 M Schumacher
8 Coulthard, Räikkönen, Montoya, Massa, Fisichella, Trulli, Irvine, Webber,
Salo
7 Villeneuve, Panis, de la Rosa, McNish
6 Barrichello, Heidfeld, Sato, Button, Davidson
5 R Schumacher
The following received or equalled their best rating of 2002:
M Schumacher (8), Webber (12), Trulli (6), Salo (5), McNish (2), Massa (5),
Irvine (2), Davidson (2)
And the following received or equalled their worst rating of 2002:
Barrichello (2), Button (2), R Schumacher, Heidfeld (2), Davidson (2)
2002 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 GBR FRA GER HUN BEL Tot Avg. Change
======================================================================
1 M Schumacher 9 9 9 8 9 7 8 9 7 9 8 9 7 9 117 8.36 +0.05
2 Fisichella 8 8 7 9 8 9 9 9 5 7 – 8 9 8 104 8.00
3 Räikkönen 8 8 7 8 8 8 6 8 8 8 9 8 9 8 111 7.93 +0.01
4 Webber 8 6 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8 7 8 109 7.79 +0.02
5 Barrichello 8 7 6 9 8 9 6 8 8 9 7 8 8 6 107 7.64 -0.13
Montoya 8 8 8 6 8 8 8 9 7 9 8 7 5 8 107 7.64 +0.02
Coulthard 9 7 7 7 8 7 9 8 9 7 8 6 7 8 107 7.64 +0.02
8 Button 7 9 8 9 8 8 7 7 7 7 8 6 7 6 104 7.54 -0.04
9 Panis 7 7 6 6 8 8 7 7 8 8 7 8 8 7 102 7.29 -0.02
Trulli 8 7 8 7 7 7 8 8 8 7 6 6 7 8 102 7.29 +0.06
Salo 7 8 8 7 8 8 7 7 6 7 7 7 7 8 102 7.29 +0.06
12 Frentzen 6 7 7 8 8 8 8 6 6 9 – 6 – – 79 7.18
13 R Schumacher 7 8 7 8 6 8 7 6 7 8 6 9 8 5 100 7.14 -0.17
14 Heidfeld 7 8 7 7 8 7 7 7 7 8 7 7 6 6 99 7.07 -0.08
Villeneuve 7 7 7 8 6 8 8 8 6 8 7 6 6 7 99 7.07 -0.01
16 De la Rosa 7 7 7 7 6 7 7 7 8 7 7 6 7 7 97 6.93 +0.01
17 Sato 7 6 7 8 5 7 5 7 8 8 6 8 8 6 96 6.86 -0.06
McNish 7 7 7 7 6 7 6 6 6 7 7 8 8 7 96 6.86 +0.01
19 Irvine 7 5 7 7 7 7 6 7 6 6 8 6 7 8 94 6.71 +0.09
Massa 8 7 4 8 7 6 4 7 7 6 5 8 8 8 94 6.71 +0.09
21 Bernoldi 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 7 7 8 – 6 – – 69 6.27
22 Davidson – - – - – - – - – – – – 6 6 12 6.00
23 Yoong 5 6 5 4 6 5 4 6 6 5 5 4 – – 61 5.08
Note: I don’t necessarily agree with these ratings, I’m just posting them to give
_you_ the chance to disagree.
After the last GP I was asked what the overall rating from the last three seasons
showed. Here’s an updated table:
Pts GPs Avg
==================================
1 M Schumacher 400 48 8.33
2 Häkkinen 268 34 7.88
3 Webber 109 14 7.79
4 Coulthard 373 48 7.77
5 Alonso 130 17 7.65
6 Räikkönen 236 31 7.61
7 Montoya 233 31 7.52
8 R Schumacher 359 48 7.48
9 Trulli 352 48 7.33
10 Barrichello 350 48 7.29
11 Fisichella 341 47 7.26
12 Salo 215 30 7.17
13 Frentzen 303 43 7.05
14 Villeneuve 338 48 7.04
15 Heidfeld 330 47 7.02
16 Herbert 118 17 6.94
17 Button 331 48 6.90
18 Zonta 117 17 6.88
19 Sato 96 14 6.86
McNish 96 14 6.86
21 Verstappen 231 34 6.79
22 Panis 210 31 6.77
Irvine 318 47 6.77
24 Gené 115 17 6.76
25 Massa 94 14 6.71
26 De la Rosa 294 44 6.68
27 Wurz 113 17 6.65
28 Alesi 223 34 6.56
29 Enge 18 3 6.00
Davidson 12 2 6.00
31 Diniz 95 16 5.94
32 Bernoldi 166 28 5.93
33 Burti 81 15 5.40
34 Mazzacane 112 21 5.33
35 Marques 73 14 5.21
36 Yoong 76 15 5.07
37 Zonta 5 2 2.50
Note that there has been some variation in marking (some 10s, some 0s).
–
Brian Lawrence
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Can anyone tell me roughly when F1 cars ceased to have onboard starters? It
strikes me as pretty silly to spend so much money on building and racing F1
cars, only to throw it all away if the car stalls on the grid. If I was a
sponsor, I wouldn’t be happy watching my investment being pushed off the
track by the marshalls for the sake of an electric motor and a battery……
–
Neil McDonald
.
"this week’s testing session at the Monza circuit, home of next
weekend’s Italian Grand Prix"
is this really happening or has my brain misnderstood something? instead
of doing the respected thing of using (the broadcasted/attended)
practise on friday and saturday before the Monza GP most teams are
testing at the circuit the very week before!? that is the dumbest and
most arrogant thing i think the Circus that is F1 has ever thrown up!
so F1 is now a business and a circus and CART has all but died. oh well,
they kept me entertained throughout the nineties. i suppose i should
take up watching football like everyone else as this just isnt sport any
more.
so long my open wheeled friends
come on Fulham!!!! (ladies 
cyc
Does anyone have access to and could share with me the
missing text from the following reference work:
"Great Encyclopedia of Formula 1 : 1950-2000." Constable &
Robinson, London, 2000.
The text in which I am particularly interested is that covering
the Ligier cars, pages 340-344. (The text that currently
occupies those pages is a duplicate of the text earlier in the
Ligier section, although they seem to have flowed it around the
pictures that seem to be in their correct positions.
However, I haven’t been carefully through the whole two volume
set yet, and if the same thing has happened elsewhere, I would
be interested in discovering that text, as well.)
Thank you for any help.
Dwane Aldrich
Seattle, Washington, U.S.A. (4 a.m. F1 watcher)
aldr…@u.washington.edu
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Great fun yesty with Eddie Jordan finally confirming his Ford deal
live to Sky. It’s for three years, the cars will be called Jordan
Fords and the engines will be badged Ford Cosworth RS.
Eddie never actually answered the direct question of whether the
engines would be paid for, but the did say that they wouldn’t be
costiing Jordan anything. He went on about innovative solutions adding
value for shareholders and similar managment speak. One suggestion is
that Jordan sponsors Deutsche Post and DHL may be committing to
purchase new fleets of vans and trucks from Ford Europe as part of the
deal.
No comment either on what spec the engines would be, although Eddie
claims that they will be exclusively developed for Jordan by a
separate team at Cosworth and with the involvement of Jordan
personnel…….so we can assume at least one stage below the engines
being supplied to Jaguar.
As for drivers, all Eddie would say is that Giancarlo and Taku have
contracts for next year and he is happy with them. If Deutsche Post is
an integral part of the Ford deal, however, expect to see Frentzen
back on board.
The most interesting bit of spin was Eddie thanking Honda for
releasing him from next year’s contract to allow him to take up the
Ford deal. Even Niki Lauda managed to put on a brave face and say that
the additional engine development from supplying a second competitive
team would benefit Jaguar.
Fact is, though, that this ostensibly separate Ford Europe deal with
Jordan does have approval at corporate level and does give corporate
Ford an F1 fall back if (when?) it finally decides to pull the plug on
Jaguar.
Oh, yes…and the other worst kept secret. Paul Stoddart as good as
confirmed yesty that Mark Webber will be going to Jaguar next season –
likely to be made official at Spa.
David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)
"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner
British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg