Just announced by Orange (to little surprise) 
Wilson in a Jag from Hockenheim "until end of season" (well-played
Justin!), Kiesa to Minardi (steady driver, he’s never really impressed
me too much though); Pizzonia to step down to Jag reserve driver
(interesting, Paul S. didn’t even want to do a straight swap for
him…)
pete
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As part of the Grand Prix report in the UK magazine Autosport, Mark Hughes
awards marks out of 10 for each driver. He rates them on the whole weekend,
not just for the race, and winning (or finishing) the race doesn’t always
garner a high mark.
These were the driver ratings for Magny-Cours – points out of 10:
10 Barrichello
9 Montoya
8 Räikkönen, Trulli, Alonso, Button, da Matta
7 M Schumacher, R Schumacher, Coulthard, Fisichella, Pizzonia, Villeneuve
Wilson, Panis
6 Heidfeld, Frentzen, Firman, Webber, Verstappen
Best of the season: Barrichello, Montoya (4), Button (4), Trulli (4), da Matta (4),
Pizzonia (5)
Worst of the season: Webber, Heidfeld (3), Verstappen (4)
Round
2003 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 CDN Eur FRA GBR Tot Avg. Change
========================================================================
1 M Schumacher 8 6 8 10 9 9 9 9 8 9 7 92 8.36 -0.14
2 Alonso 9 9 8 8 10 8 8 9 7 7 8 91 8.27 -0.03
3 Montoya 8 9 8 7 7 9 9 8 8 8 9 90 8.18 +0.08
4 Räikkönen 8 9 8 9 5 9 8 7 9 8 8 88 8.00
5 Webber 7 7 8 8 7 9 7 8 8 8 6 83 7.55 -0.15
6 (10) Barrichello 7 7 8 9 7 8 6 7 7 6 10 82 7.45 +0.25
7 (=6) Fisichella 7 6 9 8 7 7 8 8 7 7 7 81 7.36 -0.04
(=6) Wilson 8 8 7 7 8 7 6 8 8 7 7 81 7.36 -0.04
9 Button 8 7 7 7 7 8 - 6 8 7 8 73 7.30 +0.08
10 (8) Coulthard 8 8 9 8 7 6 7 6 6 8 7 80 7.27 -0.03
11 R Schumacher 6 5 7 9 7 5 7 8 8 9 7 78 7.09 -0.01
(=12) Trulli 7 8 6 6 7 7 7 6 8 8 8 78 7.09 +0.09
13(=12) Panis 8 7 7 8 6 7 5 7 7 8 7 77 7.00
(16) da Matta 7 8 6 7 7 7 7 8 6 6 8 77 7.00 +0.10
15(=12) Heidfeld 7 8 7 7 6 8 6 7 7 7 6 76 6.91 -0.09
(=12) Frentzen 8 7 8 7 7 6 5 7 8 7 6 76 6.91 -0.09
17 Verstappen 7 7 7 6 7 6 6 7 7 7 6 73 6.64 -0.06
(18) Villeneuve 8 6 6 8 7 7 6 6 5 7 7 73 6.64 +0.04
19 Firman 7 6 5 6 8 7 7 6 6 7 6 71 6.45 -0.05
20 Pizzonia 5 7 5 5 6 7 6 7 6 7 7 68 6.18 +0.08
Note: These are not my ratings, and I don’t necessarily agree with them,
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Is anyone aware of the current race purse structure in F1? Do the organizers
post a purse for the finishing postions, fastest qualifier, and fastest race
lap. I know about the division of the television funds between the twenty
starters, but was curious if they were still paying other purse monies for
positions, etc.
All,
There was a breaking rumour on the RTE (Ireland) F1 broadcast as they
finished their qualifying program that Gary Anderson had just handed in his
notice (ie, at the end of qualifying).
Did anyone else pick up on this?
Jordan are going from worse than Minardi, down to Forti-Corse levels….
Tom
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So how difficult can it be for Ferrari to develop decent traction control?
It’s obviously costing them valuable points as we saw today at Hockenheim.
With a decent launch Rubens would have stayed in the race and Michael would
not have looked like he was going backwards compared to the two Renaults.
I’m a software engineer by profession and have to believe that they have a
fundamental problem other than software. Basically, software should be
really easy to change during testing, so it should be just a matter of
trying a couple of launches, observing what happens, tweaking your
algorithms and parameters, and trying again. The fact that they just are not
getting it leads me to believe that there are some problems elsewhere in
their mechanical or engine control systems that limit what the software is
able to do.
This isn’t Ferrari’s only reason for slipping in the championship lately,
but it certainly doesn’t help when you consistently lose two places or so by
the first turn.
Doug Gordon
Note: This data has been scaled down compared to previous years, since the
qualifying data has lost much of its significance.
2003 Average Qualifying Position – after the Nürburgring, Qualifying #9
=======================================================================
2003 2002 2001 | F1 Career
Pos. AQP Pos. AQP Pos. AQP | Pos. AQP
====================================================================
1. 2.67 (-0.08) M Schumacher 1 1.82 1 1.71 | 2 2.95
2. 3.89 (+0.14) R Barrichello 2 2.88 3 4.47 | 38 8.42
3. 5.00 (-0.13) JP Montoya 3 2.94 6 5.41 | 7 4.18
4. 6.22 (-0.41) R Schumacher 4 3.47 2 3.41 | 21 7.04
5. 7.00 (-0.13) J Trulli 7 8.65 7 6.76 | 58 10.28
6. 7.89 (+0.01) F Alonso – - 22 19.47 | 166 19.47
7. (7) 8.56 (+0.06) D Coulthard 6 5.88 5 4.76 | 12 5.13
(9) 8.56 (-0.94) K Räikkönen 5 5.35 10 10.41 | 31 7.71
9 (=10) 9.67 (-0.33) O Panis 13 13.18 12 11.35 | 89 12.67
10. (8) 9.75 (+0.32) J Button 9 10.29 19 16.94 | 93 13.02
11. (12) 10.33 (-0.53) M Webber 21 19.59 – - | 168 19.59
12.(=10) 11.11 (+1.11) N Heidfeld 8 10.12 9 9.71 | 81 12.28
13. 11.44 (+0.69) J Villeneuve 12 12.29 11 10.76 | 33 7.77
14. 12.33 (+0.33) H-H Frentzen 15 14.31 8 9.60 | 40 8.49
15. 12.56 (-0.32) C da Matta – - - - |
16. 13.22 (-0.03) G Fisichella 10 11.19 17 15.18 | 64 10.98
17. 14.56 (+0.18) A Pizzonia – - - - |
18. 16.89 (-0.36) R Firman – - - - |
19. 18.44 (-0.06) J Verstappen – - 20 18.00 | 126 15.96
20. 18.78 (+0.03) J Wilson – - - - |
Notes: Numbers in brackets () are the drivers’ position and AQP after the
previous qualifying session. F1 Career Positions include all drivers with
16 or more attempts at qualifying.
I have not updated the F1 career AQPs with 2003 data.
2003 Team-mates Head-to-Head – after the Nürburgring
====================================================
Posn.
==============================================
Jordan Fisichella 8-1 Firman +33
Toyota Panis 8-1 da Matta +26
Ferrari M Schumacher 8-1 Barrichello +11
Jaguar Webber 7-2 Pizzonia +39
Minardi Verstappen 6-3 Wilson +3
Williams R Schumacher 6-3 Montoya -11
Sauber Heidfeld 5-4 Frentzen +5
BAR Button 5-4 Villeneuve +3
McLaren Coulthard 5-4 Räikkönen 0
Renault Alonso 5-4 Trulli -10
Notes: "Posn." shows the advantage in qualifying positions to date. A
positive number shows the driver on the left has the advantage and a
negative number the driver on the right.
Best Qualifying Performances (Current Drivers)
==============================================
In 2003 Before 2003
Driver Posn.(#) GP Posn. (#) First - Last
===============================================================
M Schumacher Pole (4) . . . . Pole (50) MON 94 – JPN 02
R Schumacher Pole (2) MON/CDN Pole (1) FRA 01
F Alonso Pole (1) MAS 17th (1) USA 01
R Barrichello Pole (1) BRA Pole (6) BEL 94 – HUN 02
K Räikkönen Pole (1) Eur 2nd (1) BEL 02
J Trulli 2nd (1) MAS 2nd (2) MON/BEL 00
D Coulthard 2nd (1) BRA Pole (12) ARG 95 – MON 01
JP Montoya 2nd (1) CDN Pole (10) GER 01 – ITA 02
M Webber 3rd (1) BRA 18th (3) AUS/FRA/USA 02
H-H Frentzen 4th (1) AUS Pole (2) MON 97, Eur 99
N Heidfeld 4th (1) AUT 5th (1) AUT 02
O Panis 5th (1) AUS 3rd (2) ARG 97, FRA 99
J Button 5th (1) ESP 3rd (1) BEL 00
J Villeneuve 6th (1) AUS Pole (13) AUS 96 – Eur 97
G Fisichella 8th (1) BRA Pole (1) AUT 98
A Pizzonia 8th (1) AUT
C da Matta 9th (1) CDN
R Firman 14th (1) Eur
J Verstappen 15th (1) CDN 6th (1) BEL 94
J Wilson 18th (4) RSM . . CDN
The Recent Record of Pole Position Holders at the Nürburgring
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Year Time Driver Chassis Rslt Winner Grd
=============================================================================
1995 1:18.738 D Coulthard Williams FW17 3rd M Schumacher Benetton 3rd
1996 1:18.941 D Hill Williams FW18 4th Villeneuve Williams 2nd
1997 1:16.602 M Häkkinen McLaren MP4/12 DNF Villeneuve Williams 2nd
1998 1:18.561 M Schumacher Ferrari F300 2nd Häkkinen McLaren 3rd
1999 1:19.910 H-H Frentzen Jordan 199 DNF Herbert Stewart 14th
2000 1:17.529 D Coulthard McLaren MP4/15 3rd M Schumacher Ferrari 2nd
2001 1:14.960 M Schumacher Ferrari F2001 1st
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2002 1:29.906 JP Montoya Williams FW24B DNF Barrichello Ferrari 4th
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2003 1:31.523 K Räikkönen McLaren MP4/17D ???
—- Indicates changes in track length and/or layout.
Note: In 1997-98 the race was the Luxembourg GP.
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What’s with JV. Has he forgotten how to finish a race? Second gear problems
near the end, just when he was set to finish 15th!!! I think the guy is so
discouraged that he is not even trying. Even before the race he conceded
that the car, or perhaps himself, is uncompetitive. Time to find a new ride
or leave.
Ronnie (formerly Hef Juan)
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