Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted almost all living F1
drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950) top 10. 217 of them responded
and this is the result – no driver could vote for themselves and points were
allocated 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
=76 Peter Collins, Luigi Villoresi, Mark Webber, Mike Hailwood, ***
Pedro Rodriguez, Eddie Irvine, Andrea de Cesaris, Kazuki Nakajima
75 Pedro Lamy
74 Vitantonio Liuzzi
73 Harry Schell
72 Stefano Modena
71 Carlos Pace
70 Wolfgang von Trips
69 Maurice Trintignant
68 Hans Herrmann
67 Derek Warwick
66 Johnny Herbert
65 Jean-Pierre Beltoise
64 Chris Amon
63 Aguri Suzuki
62 Denny Hulme
61 Bruce McLaren
60 Tom Pryce
59 Felipe Massa ***
58 Jo Siffert
57 Alex Zanardi
56 Tony Maggs
55 Henri Pescarolo
54 Mike Hawthorn
53 Elio de Angelis
52 Tony Brooks
51 Juan Pablo Montoya
50 Michele Alboreto
49 Jacques Laffite
48 Lorenzo Bandini
47 Jody Scheckter
46 Piero Taruffi
45 Damon Hill
44 Didier Pironi
43 Robert Kubica ***
42 Jean Alesi
41 Jacques Villeneuve
40 Jacky Ickx
39 Riccardo Patrese
38 Jean Behra
37 Gerhard Berger
36 Clay Regazzoni
35 Stefan Bellof
34 Carlos Reutemann
33 Phil Hill
32 Giuseppe Farina
31 Alan Jones
30 Jenson Button ***
29 Francois Cevert
28 Dan Gurney
27 Froilan Gonzalez
26 Sebastian Vettel ***
25 Keke Rosberg
24 James Hunt
23 John Surtees
22 Kimi Räikkönen ***
21 Graham Hill
20 Mario Andretti
19 Ronnie Peterson
18 Jack Brabham
17 Lewis Hamilton ***
16 Alberto Ascari
15 Mika Häkkinen
14 Jochen Rindt
13 Nelson Piquet
12 Emerson Fittipaldi
11 Nigel Mansell
10 Gilles Villeneuve
9 Fernando Alonso ***
8 Stirling Moss
7 Niki Lauda
6 Jackie Stewart
5 Jim Clark
4 Alain Prost
3 Juan Manuel Fangio
2 Michael Schumacher
1 Ayrton Senna
–
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawre…@msn.com
"Brian Lawrence" <Brian_W_Lawre…@msn.com> wrote in
news:7oel63F3pnbesU1@mid.individual.net:
> Actually this one is interesting. Autosport magazine contacted almost
> all living F1 drivers and asked them for their all-time (since 1950)
> top 10. 217 of them responded and this is the result – no driver could
> vote for themselves and points were allocated 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
<snip>
> 10 Gilles Villeneuve
> 9 Fernando Alonso ***
> 8 Stirling Moss
> 7 Niki Lauda
> 6 Jackie Stewart
> 5 Jim Clark
> 4 Alain Prost
> 3 Juan Manuel Fangio
> 2 Michael Schumacher
> 1 Ayrton Senna
Seeing that there’s a *lot* of drivers there of whose career I know
nothing of, I can’t really say much except for the placement of the two
Villeneuves: The father perhaps being to high and the son too low. The
former being just behind Alonzo and Moss might be nostalgia I guess, The
son being lower than Button when both have only one one championship.
Perhaps the possible ending of Button’s career is being guessed at.
Yes, I know it’s in the other place, but it *is* a post here.
Looking again, Isn’t Mark Webber placed a *bit* low?
Comment by admin — February 26, 2010 @ 2:48 am
APLer wrote:
> Looking again, Isn’t Mark Webber placed a *bit* low?
He presumably got one 10th place vote.
It means one driver could not think of 10 better drivers.
He has every opportunity to move up the pecking order.
However, I am amazed anybody voted for Nakajima or de Cesaris in a top 10.
As for father son pairs, Damon is always ranked well below Graham – even
though Damon’s success rate was significantly higher.
Driver Wins Races Conversion
Damon 22 122 = 18%
Gilles 6 68 = 8.82%
Graham 14 179 = 7.82%
Jaques 11 165 = 6.67%
I know I should not let facts get in the way of emotion when it comes to
poles like this – and yes I know that it is hard to compare as different
drivers had access to different cars and were subject to team orders.
Marcus
Comment by admin — February 26, 2010 @ 2:48 am
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Marcus wrote:
> APLer wrote:
>> Looking again, Isn’t Mark Webber placed a *bit* low?
> He presumably got one 10th place vote.
> It means one driver could not think of 10 better drivers.
> He has every opportunity to move up the pecking order.
> However, I am amazed anybody voted for Nakajima or de Cesaris in a top 10.
> As for father son pairs, Damon is always ranked well below Graham – even
> though Damon’s success rate was significantly higher.
> Driver Wins Races Conversion
> Damon 22 122 = 18%
> Gilles 6 68 = 8.82%
> Graham 14 179 = 7.82%
> Jaques 11 165 = 6.67%
> I know I should not let facts get in the way of emotion when it comes to
> poles like this – and yes I know that it is hard to compare as different
> drivers had access to different cars and were subject to team orders.
> Marcus
Following up my own post
Here are the top drivers in terms of the ratio of Wins to Starts
Asterisks mark current drivers.
Obelisks Champions
Qualification more than one win and more than ten races entered.
Name Races Wins Ratio
Juan Manuel Fangio† 52 24 0.46
Alberto Ascari† 33 13 0.39
Michael Schumacher† 250 91 0.36
Jim Clark† 73 25 0.34
Jackie Stewart† 100 27 0.27
Ayrton Senna† 162 41 0.25
Alain Prost† 202 51 0.25
Stirling Moss 67 16 0.24
Lewis Hamilton†* 52 11 0.21
Damon Hill† 122 22 0.18
Nigel Mansell† 191 31 0.16
Tony Brooks 39 6 0.15
Fernando Alonso†* 140 21 0.15
Nino Farina† 34 5 0.15
Niki Lauda† 177 25 0.14
Mika Häkkinen† 165 20 0.12
Nelson Piquet† 191 23 0.12
Sebastian Vettel* 43 5 0.12
Kimi Räikkönen† 157 18 0.11
Jack Brabham† 128 14 0.11
James Hunt† 93 10 0.11
Alan Jones† 117 12 0.10
Jochen Rindt† 62 6 0.10
Felipe Massa* 116 11 0.09
Emerson Fittipaldi† 149 14 0.09
Mario Andretti† 131 12 0.09
Jody Scheckter† 113 10 0.09
Gilles Villeneuve 68 6 0.09
Peter Collins 35 3 0.09
Carlos Reutemann 146 12 0.08
Ronnie Peterson 123 10 0.08
Graham Hill† 179 14 0.08
José Froilán González 26 2 0.08
Juan Pablo Montoya 95 7 0.07
Denny Hulme† 112 8 0.07
Wolfgang von Trips 29 2 0.07
Jacques Villeneuve† 165 11 0.07
Jacky Ickx 120 8 0.07
Mike Hawthorn† 47 3 0.06
Peter Revson 33 2 0.06
Phil Hill† 51 3 0.06
John Surtees† 113 6 0.05
David Coulthard 247 13 0.05
Gerhard Berger 210 10 0.05
Dan Gurney 87 4 0.05
René Arnoux 164 7 0.04
Didier Pironi 72 3 0.04
Jenson Button†* 172 7 0.04
Keke Rosberg† 128 5 0.04
Bruce McLaren 104 4 0.04
The only driver on this list missing from the driver’s selection is
Peter Revson, the American who won 2 Grand Prix and the Indy 500 for
McLaren in the 1970s. Revson is the last US born racer to win a Grand Prix.
The unlucky driver is Rubens – 5st on this list and overlooked by the
drivers.
Marcus
Comment by admin — February 26, 2010 @ 2:48 am
On 12/14/09 09:40, Marcus wrote:
> However, I am amazed anybody voted for Nakajima or de Cesaris in a top 10.
Autosport’s editorial dropped a heavy hint that Kazuki’s dad might have
had something to do with his appearance on the list.
–
Duncan Snowden.
Comment by admin — February 26, 2010 @ 2:48 am
Marcus streets <mar…@eightflames.org> wrote in
news:hg8nc1$2hab$1@news.ett.com.ua:
> Marcus wrote:
>> APLer wrote:
>>> Looking again, Isn’t Mark Webber placed a *bit* low?
<snip>
> The only driver on this list missing from the driver’s selection is
> Peter Revson, the American who won 2 Grand Prix and the Indy 500 for
> McLaren in the 1970s. Revson is the last US born racer to win a Grand
> Prix.
> The unlucky driver is Rubens – 5st on this list and overlooked by the
> drivers.
Thanks for the work. I guess the best way to look at top drivers lists
is to either ignore them or use them as an excuse to keep up your math
skills <g>.
Comment by admin — February 26, 2010 @ 2:48 am
[Default] Thus spake APLer <AP…@floor.tilde>:
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>Marcus streets <mar…@eightflames.org> wrote in
>news:hg8nc1$2hab$1@news.ett.com.ua:
>> Marcus wrote:
>>> APLer wrote:
>>>> Looking again, Isn’t Mark Webber placed a *bit* low?
><snip>
>> The only driver on this list missing from the driver’s selection is
>> Peter Revson, the American who won 2 Grand Prix and the Indy 500 for
>> McLaren in the 1970s. Revson is the last US born racer to win a Grand
>> Prix.
>> The unlucky driver is Rubens – 5st on this list and overlooked by the
>> drivers.
>Thanks for the work. I guess the best way to look at top drivers lists
>is to either ignore them or use them as an excuse to keep up your math
>skills <g>.
True, but you also owe me a pint because "xxx" was ranked higher than
"yyy". :-)
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Comment by admin — February 26, 2010 @ 2:48 am