What do you think would happen if both Ferrari’s were involved in a
first lap wreck. A restart is required and only the one spare car is
available for use. Question is , who gets the car Irvine or Schumacher
?
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marcel <mar…@wwebcity.com> wrote in message
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> What do you think would happen if both Ferrari’s were involved in a
> first lap wreck. A restart is required and only the one spare car is
> available for use. Question is , who gets the car Irvine or Schumacher
> ?
In that case, it would come down to one of two scenarios. It would either go
to the one who is leading in the championship, or to the one that has
qualified best. If your talking about the next race, it’s a toss up. But if
it’s near the end of the season, I’d go with the former, as opposed to the
latter.
Cheers!
Rod
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In article <37BF65F5.DECFC…@wwebcity.com>, marcel
<mar…@wwebcity.com> writes
>What do you think would happen if both Ferrari’s were involved in a
>first lap wreck. A restart is required and only the one spare car is
>available for use. Question is , who gets the car Irvine or Schumacher
>?
IIRC, ever since 1994 Ferrari always bring two spare cars
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Alex Ingram <a…@good1.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <37BF65F5.DECFC…@wwebcity.com>, marcel
> <mar…@wwebcity.com> writes
> >What do you think would happen if both Ferrari’s were involved in a
> >first lap wreck. A restart is required and only the one spare car
is
> >available for use. Question is , who gets the car Irvine or
Schumacher
> >?
> IIRC, ever since 1994 Ferrari always bring two spare cars
> —
I thought the teams were only allowed the one spare car for the /race/
?
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J.L.Ellison (JLE) wrote
> Alex Ingram wrote
> > IIRC, ever since 1994 Ferrari always bring two spare cars
> > —
> I thought the teams were only allowed the one spare car for the
/race/
> ?
I don’t believe there is any restriction, other than space and
logistics. Most teams, including Ferrari, take two race cars, one
ready-to-run spare, plus a spare tub and sufficient parts to build up
a fourth car if needed. This would be done if they lost a car in
practice/qualifying.
On race day there is normally only one spare. At most teams they
either alternate the setup on the spare between drivers, or they set
it up for whoever is best placed on the grid or – later in the
season – in the championship. At Ferrari it was always set up for
Schumacher, and currently for Irvine. (It was noticeable that, after
Schumacher’s Silverstone shunt, we saw a shot of the spare being
changed to Eddie’s settings, just in case he might need it for a
second restart.)
There have been occasions where teams have decided that, in the later
races of the season and with both drivers in contention for the
championship, it is only fair to have two spares available on raceday.
This is, however, by no means the norm, at Ferrari or anywhere else –
hence the relevance of the initial question.
And to get back to that, clearly Irvine should have priority on the
spare for the remaining races so long as he remains in contention for
the championship. If he doesn’t, there’s something very wrong at
Ferrari.
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the Wizard <jom…@plex.nl> wrote:
:>What do you think would happen if both Ferrari’s were involved in a
:>first lap wreck. A restart is required and only the one spare car is
:>available for use. Question is , who gets the car Irvine or Schumacher
:>?
: At the moment my guess would be Eddie Irvine. Reason for that being
: that (a) Schumi is still injured and (b) Eddie has a whole lot of
: points more than Schumi.
And my guess is that Eddie gets it, because even a little impact is going
to put Schumacher out for the rest of the season.
Stephen
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:11:46 CST, "Daniel" <da…@cam1.net.au> wrote:
>How sure are you of these figures. I was sure Mclaren and Ferrari both had
>800+ HP engines
>>Found this in the new issue of MSA (Swiss Motorsport Aktuell)
>>Enrico Benzing uses his computer programm to find out the hp
>>of currrent F1 engines.
>>F1 engines in Hockenheim 1999:
>>McLaren Qualifying 794 (!)
Maybe the reason is that the journalist calculated the power based
upon real performance (power at the real wheels, top speed with regard
to wing setup, and acceleration measured by comparing TV pictures?),
but the usual numbers (eg. 820 hp for McLaren) are taken from indoor
"Pruefstand" runs (the machine to check power), were usually the power
output at the clutch is measured.
So the difference of about 30hp might be caused by the friction in the
gearbox/differential at high speed.
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Stephen M Baines <step…@it-must-be-obvious.motorsport.org.uk> wrote:
>>Judd EV 600-610
>>Judd-Tickford 610
> IIRC, the Tickford was paid for by Lotus, wasn’t it? They expected it to
> make a big difference to the power that they’d get, but in reality it
> didn’t seem to make much difference.
5vpc three-cam heads, if I recall rightly… lot of extra complexity and
(presumably) weight for very little gain. (cf Yamaha’s 5vpc heads for the
DFR, which after Cosworth discovered they were no better than the 4vpc
heads they took and put onto their own block — see the OX88)
>>Lamborghini 3512 610-620
620bhp and seriously heavy metal too. Showed some promise when they
lightened it and McLaren put it in a car for Senna to test at the end of
’92.
>>Life F35 600
> Pity it was *so* fragile. I wanted it to do well, just for daring to be
> different. If they’d had the money to do it properly, I guess there is a
> chance we’d have W12 engines now…
MGN tried and failed too. It’d be interesting to see what a pukka engine
builder would make of a W – but I think the the packaging constraints (exhausts
in particular) would make it unfavourable. (I think there were rumours of
a Ferrari W18 back in the 60s, and a Renault W9 for a development of the
Tyrrell P34…)
pete
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In article <rdoeq7.pv2…@fenelon.com>, Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com>
writes
>>>Judd-Tickford 610
>> IIRC, the Tickford was paid for by Lotus, wasn’t it? They expected it to
>> make a big difference to the power that they’d get, but in reality it
>> didn’t seem to make much difference.
>5vpc three-cam heads, if I recall rightly…
Yup, just dug out the Autosports…
>lot of extra complexity and
>(presumably) weight for very little gain. (cf Yamaha’s 5vpc heads for the
>DFR, which after Cosworth discovered they were no better than the 4vpc
>heads they took and put onto their own block — see the OX88)
There was an awful lot of tinkering with valves in that period, but the
only thing that really became worthwhile was the pneumatic valvegear.
>>>Lamborghini 3512 610-620
>620bhp and seriously heavy metal too. Showed some promise when they
>lightened it and McLaren put it in a car for Senna to test at the end of
>’92.
And McLaren’s attitude towards them was, iirc, the reason why they
ultimately quit the sport – if they couldn’t impress McLaren, there was
little point continuing. It seems that Lambo were used as little more
than a pawn to get the Peugeot deal as they wanted it.
>>>Life F35 600
>> Pity it was *so* fragile. I wanted it to do well, just for daring to be
>> different. If they’d had the money to do it properly, I guess there is a
>> chance we’d have W12 engines now…
>MGN tried and failed too.
I only found a few little snippets about the MGN, but nothing especially
concrete about what they actually achieved. Are Motori Guy Negre (iirc)
still going?
>It’d be interesting to see what a pukka engine
>builder would make of a W – but I think the the packaging constraints (exhausts
>in particular) would make it unfavourable.
To my (though not especially technical) mind, it seemed a good
compromise, similar in length to a V8, with the potential to have the
power and torque of a V12. I’ll see if I can find a picture of either
the MGN or the Life W12 later this week.
>(I think there were rumours of
>a Ferrari W18 back in the 60s, and a Renault W9 for a development of the
>Tyrrell P34…)
Now a W9… That idea really does interest me!
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Alan Jones <a…@maths.uq.edu.au> wrote:
> Re W configuration engines;
> IIRC Sunbeam produced a viable version in the 1920′s.
> It was mainly an aero engine but I think it ended up in some cars.
> Did they break the LSR with it?
The sunbeams were V12s; I think you’re mixing it up with the Napier
engine in Golden Arrow….
pete
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