According to AtlasF1, an "esteemed British newspaper journalist" has
promised to "strip off and run naked around Silverstone" should McLaren
win a race this season. Of course since the introduction of the
MP4/19B this, while still unlikely, perhaps no longer seems absolutely
impossible. This raises two questions in my mind.
- Which journalist?
- Does this not suggest that *all* motorsports journalists ought to
grow beards as a matter of simple prudence, to have available a less
embarassing forfeit should rashness impel such a wager?
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answers as ask the right questions.
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Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> According to AtlasF1, an "esteemed British newspaper journalist" has
> promised to "strip off and run naked around Silverstone" should McLaren
> win a race this season. Of course since the introduction of the
> MP4/19B this, while still unlikely, perhaps no longer seems absolutely
> impossible. This raises two questions in my mind.
> – Which journalist?
I think it’s Stan Piecha of the Sun.
pete
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On 15 Jul 2004 21:15:05 GMT, Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote:
>Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> According to AtlasF1, an "esteemed British newspaper journalist" has
>> promised to "strip off and run naked around Silverstone" should McLaren
>> win a race this season. Of course since the introduction of the
>> MP4/19B this, while still unlikely, perhaps no longer seems absolutely
>> impossible. This raises two questions in my mind.
>> – Which journalist?
>I think it’s Stan Piecha of the Sun.
>pete
Oh goody. As they say over at fark.com
.. and The Sun was there.
Usually involving some female celeb getting "accidentally" nekkid.
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and the horse’s name was Bob.
Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote:
>Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> According to AtlasF1, an "esteemed British newspaper journalist" has
>> promised to "strip off and run naked around Silverstone" should McLaren
>> win a race this season. Of course since the introduction of the
>> MP4/19B this, while still unlikely, perhaps no longer seems absolutely
>> impossible. This raises two questions in my mind.
>> – Which journalist?
>I think it’s Stan Piecha of the Sun.
Nope, it’s Bob McKenzie of the Daily Express.
From http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft13235.html
On the subject of nudity, the British press corps is in a state of much
amusement about the competitiveness of the new McLaren. A while ago, the
Daily Express’s motor sport correspondent Bob McKenzie vowed that if
McLaren won a race this season he would run naked round the track in
question. You can be sure that if Kimi or David are first past the flag,
then Ron Dennis will ensure that he gets his pound of flesh, or rather
more than a pound in Mr. McKenzie’s case.
I advised Bob that the only way he could escape the ignominy of exposure
would be to rush down to a pet shop, buy a dog, name it "Naked" and then
run "Naked" round the track.
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On 15 Jul 2004 20:05:01 GMT, mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu (Mark Jackson) wrote:
>According to AtlasF1, an "esteemed British newspaper journalist" has
>promised to "strip off and run naked around Silverstone" should McLaren
>win a race this season. Of course since the introduction of the
>MP4/19B this, while still unlikely, perhaps no longer seems absolutely
>impossible. This raises two questions in my mind.
>- Which journalist?
>- Does this not suggest that *all* motorsports journalists ought to
> grow beards as a matter of simple prudence, to have available a less
> embarassing forfeit should rashness impel such a wager?
A lap of Silverstone is almost 3.2 miles. I don’t think a journalist could run that far. <g>
regards,
JohnB
Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> – Does this not suggest that *all* motorsports journalists ought to
> grow beards as a matter of simple prudence, to have available a less
> embarassing forfeit should rashness impel such a wager?
And from 1969 to his death, experts were debating whether Jenks’ Beard Mk II
was a replica, a copy, a fake or what
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On 16 Jul 2004 22:15:01 GMT, Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote:
>Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> – Does this not suggest that *all* motorsports journalists ought to
>> grow beards as a matter of simple prudence, to have available a less
>> embarassing forfeit should rashness impel such a wager?
>And from 1969 to his death, experts were debating whether Jenks’ Beard Mk II
>was a replica, a copy, a fake or what
It was, technically, a replica….in that it was constructed to the
same design, from the same materials, by the original manufacturer.
David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)
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On 17 Jul 2004 08:05:05 GMT, David Betts <dav…@motorsport.org.uk>
wrote:
>On 16 Jul 2004 22:15:01 GMT, Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote:
>>Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>> – Does this not suggest that *all* motorsports journalists ought to
>>> grow beards as a matter of simple prudence, to have available a less
>>> embarassing forfeit should rashness impel such a wager?
>>And from 1969 to his death, experts were debating whether Jenks’ Beard Mk II
>>was a replica, a copy, a fake or what
>It was, technically, a replica….in that it was constructed to the
>same design, from the same materials, by the original manufacturer.
Does that make yours the copy, David? ;o)
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In article <ZSl9REEwY69AF…@excalvehs.demon.co.uk>, Emma
<E…@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Nope, it’s Bob McKenzie of the Daily Express.
> From http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft13235.html
> On the subject of nudity, the British press corps is in a state of much
> amusement about the competitiveness of the new McLaren. A while ago, the
> Daily Express’s motor sport correspondent Bob McKenzie vowed that if
> McLaren won a race this season he would run naked round the track in
> question. You can be sure that if Kimi or David are first past the flag,
> then Ron Dennis will ensure that he gets his pound of flesh, or rather
> more than a pound in Mr. McKenzie’s case.
More than a pound? He could probably make a fair living in pr0n movies
if that were the case.
The beard strategy would work eventually, but if my beard growtth rate
of 1mm/2 days is reasonable,and a 2ft long beard is needed, it’ll take
360 days or summat to grow it again.
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On 17 Jul 2004 08:15:00 GMT, Kim Andrews <some…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 17 Jul 2004 08:05:05 GMT, David Betts <dav…@motorsport.org.uk>
>wrote:
>>On 16 Jul 2004 22:15:01 GMT, Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote:
>>>And from 1969 to his death, experts were debating whether Jenks’ Beard Mk II
>>>was a replica, a copy, a fake or what
>>It was, technically, a replica….in that it was constructed to the
>>same design, from the same materials, by the original manufacturer.
>Does that make yours the copy, David? ;o)
Mine – as with the Jenks Mk II – must date from around 1970. Very
definitely an original, though. Was probably around than that Jenks
and I watched a GP practice session together out at Dingle Dell, he
with his little bike, but the two things are unrelated.
David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)
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Emma <E…@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote in message <news:ZSl9REEwY69AFABV@excalvehs.demon.co.uk>…
> Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote:
> >Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >> According to AtlasF1, an "esteemed British newspaper journalist" has
> >> promised to "strip off and run naked around Silverstone" should McLaren
> >> win a race this season. Of course since the introduction of the
> >> MP4/19B this, while still unlikely, perhaps no longer seems absolutely
> >> impossible. This raises two questions in my mind.
> >> – Which journalist?
> >I think it’s Stan Piecha of the Sun.
> Nope, it’s Bob McKenzie of the Daily Express.
> From http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ft13235.html
I’m not sure he need get a preparatory body wax JUST yet!
While the Brit GP undoubtedly marked a big step forward for McLaren
(not hard the Mp4-19 must be one of the worst cars created by a top
team since the unlamented 312 T5 – now there’s an interesting thread
idea ‘Worst Car from a Top Team’) but it hasd to be said that the
safety car flattered Kimi’s performance. Without it, he would have
been more than 30 seconds behind Michael at the flag – and, I rather
suspect, behind Rubens.
This at McLaren’s home circuit on a day where Michelin clearly had a
tyre advantage over Bridgestone AND on which Renault and, to a lessser
extent, BAR underperformed. I’d say Ron & Norbert are definately not
out of the woodshed yet! I’d say their report cards read ‘Improved –
but still needs to do better’.
Michael
Well, after that bit of punditry, I’ve probably guarranteed a McLaren
1-2 on the weekend!
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:20:27 CST, michael.ols…@uts.edu.au (Michael
Olsson) wrote:
>While the Brit GP undoubtedly marked a big step forward for McLaren
>(not hard the Mp4-19 must be one of the worst cars created by a top
>team since the unlamented 312 T5 – now there’s an interesting thread
>idea ‘Worst Car from a Top Team’) but it hasd to be said that the
>safety car flattered Kimi’s performance. Without it, he would have
>been more than 30 seconds behind Michael at the flag – and, I rather
>suspect, behind Rubens.
>This at McLaren’s home circuit on a day where Michelin clearly had a
>tyre advantage over Bridgestone
Beg to differ, my friend. Everybody agreed that this was a race where
Bridgestone had a huge tyre advantage. Just look at the performance of
the Saubers, who were for once able to take advatage of the
Bridgestone superiority as well. As soon as the Bridgestones came in
after a couple of laps the Bridgestone runners were able to disappear.
Witness after the safety car went in.
> AND on which Renault and, to a lessser
>extent, BAR underperformed.
Did they? Didn’t notice that. Weren’t as close to the Ferraris race
pace as they have been on some occasions, but that was surely down to
the Bridgestone advantage…..plus the fact that McLaren was clearly
the best of the Michelin runners for the first time this year.
> I’d say Ron & Norbert are definately not
>out of the woodshed yet! I’d say their report cards read ‘Improved –
>but still needs to do better’.
Of course, as does everybody who isn’t Ferrari. Still be surprised if
McLaren don’t win a race before then end of the season, though.
David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)
"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner
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In article <d77b0603.0407201853.7e60f…@posting.google.com>,
michael.ols…@uts.edu.au (Michael Olsson) writes:
> While the Brit GP undoubtedly marked a big step forward for McLaren
> (not hard the Mp4-19 must be one of the worst cars created by a top
> team since the unlamented 312 T5 – now there’s an interesting thread
> idea ‘Worst Car from a Top Team’) but it hasd to be said that the
> safety car flattered Kimi’s performance.
Oh come now, even the MP4-19 could beat the safety car. It would be
close, I’ll grant you…
–
Mike Fleming
Mike Fleming <{mi…@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <d77b0603.0407201853.7e60f…@posting.google.com>,
> michael.ols…@uts.edu.au (Michael Olsson) writes:
>> While the Brit GP undoubtedly marked a big step forward for McLaren
>> (not hard the Mp4-19 must be one of the worst cars created by a top
>> team since the unlamented 312 T5 – now there’s an interesting thread
>> idea ‘Worst Car from a Top Team’) but it hasd to be said that the
>> safety car flattered Kimi’s performance.
> Oh come now, even the MP4-19 could beat the safety car. It would be
> close, I’ll grant you…
Ferrari have had a few entries in "worst car from a top team"… the
553/555, the 312B3 in its original ’73 guise, the T5, the 126C in its
original form, the F92A…. (they also have an "unraced" car, but it was
probably quite good – the "Spazzaneve" 312B3 which bore no resemblance
to the "Thompson" car).
McLaren have arguably had four real clunkers – difficult to say how
good/bad the M2B would’ve been since we never saw it with a proper
engine, so I’d say M9 (4wd), M28, MP4/10, and MP4/19. (Does /18 count,
so good it never raced?)
Williams… well, FW05 wasn’t much cop, but that was an unloved Hesketh
anyway;) FW09 was a bit of a beast at first, and took some taming…
FW12 in active form might have been their most difficult car ever….
(the overnight decision to go to passive springing at Silverstone must
be one of the quickest design changes a team’s ever made!).
Lotus – well, they had their share didn’t they?
63, 76, 80 for a
start in Chunky’s lifetime!
pete
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Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote in message <news:1plmdc.n7m.ln@fenelon.com>…
> Ferrari have had a few entries in "worst car from a top team"… the
> 553/555, the 312B3 in its original ’73 guise, the T5, the 126C in its
> original form, the F92A…. (they also have an "unraced" car, but it was
> probably quite good – the "Spazzaneve" 312B3 which bore no resemblance
> to the "Thompson" car).
Yes, the scuderia has produced a few hounds over the years – surely
only Gilles could have won in the 126C… and the 312 B3 proves that
even genius designers (and Foghieri was certainlly that) can lose
there way. Of course, there is a case to be made that the F92A is the
most important car in Ferrari F1 history. If it hadn’t been so
embarassingly bad, would Todt have been allowed to make the sweeping
changes that culiminatd in the current uber-team.
> McLaren have arguably had four real clunkers – difficult to say how
> good/bad the M2B would’ve been since we never saw it with a proper
> engine, so I’d say M9 (4wd), M28, MP4/10, and MP4/19. (Does /18 count,
> so good it never raced?)
Yes, dspite the auara/propaganda thzt surround the Dennis-era McLaren,
they’ve also produced some thorough-going mediocrities. That Peugeot
engine made even the current Ilmor lump look like a half-way decent
bit of kit. The difference between bad Ferraries and bad McLarens
though, is that Ferraris are usually bad in an interesting way, while
bad McLarens are just dull…
> Williams… well, FW05 wasn’t much cop, but that was an unloved Hesketh
> anyway;) FW09 was a bit of a beast at first, and took some taming…
> FW12 in active form might have been their most difficult car ever….
> (the overnight decision to go to passive springing at Silverstone must
> be one of the quickest design changes a team’s ever made!).
Well Frank’s boys have been caught out on the engine merry-go-round a
couple of times. Although the last two seasons, theyt’ve managed to
lose despite having the most poweful lump in the paddock. This year’s
car has proved to be doubly frightful – hideously ugly without even
the saving grace of being decently quick.
> Lotus – well, they had their share didn’t they?
63, 76, 80 for a
> start in Chunky’s lifetime!
And let’s not forget the twin chassis 88 – among the more creartive of
Chunky’s attempts to drive a truck through the rule-book. And of
course, one could also suggest that EVERY Lotus was bad form the point
of view of Chatmans lightness obsession leading to far too many
componet-failure accidents.
Let’s not leave out Brabham here – Murray’s low-line car was a good
example of an interesting idea that just didn’t work. And of course,
the way Bernie allowed the team to fall apart was a disgrace…
Any one else got any nominations? Perhaps I should add ‘any BRM with
16 cylinders’ as a way of getting a response from David and Doc!
Michael
michael.ols…@uts.edu.au (Michael Olsson) writes:
> Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> wrote in message <news:1plmdc.n7m.ln@fenelon.com>…
> > Ferrari have had a few entries in "worst car from a top team"… the
> > 553/555,
Did manage to win, however.
> Let’s not leave out Brabham here – Murray’s low-line car was a good
> example of an interesting idea that just didn’t work. And of course,
> the way Bernie allowed the team to fall apart was a disgrace…
I was wondering when the BT55 was going to come up.
> Any one else got any nominations? Perhaps I should add ‘any BRM with
> 16 cylinders’ as a way of getting a response from David and Doc!
Whatever the quality of the original V16, BRM didn’t become a top team
until over a decade later. . . .
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On 15 Jul 2004 09:35:01 GMT, "Brian Lawrence"
<Brian_W_LawrenceREMT…@msn.com> wrote:
> 4 Coulthard, Heidfeld [Leinders]
Genuine question, as I didn’t follow every session and anyway have a
lousy memory (!) : what did the McLaren boys do wrong that put them so
far down the ranking?
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"Kim Andrews" <some…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 Jul 2004 09:35:01 GMT, "Brian Lawrence"
> <Brian_W_LawrenceREMT…@msn.com> wrote:
> > 4 Coulthard, Heidfeld [Leinders]
> Genuine question, as I didn’t follow every session and anyway have a
> lousy memory (!) : what did the McLaren boys do wrong that put them so
> far down the ranking?
Well Kimi was joint top. DC apparently suffered with the effects of crosswind
in qualifying which put him sixth, 0.9s slower than his team-mate. In the race
his car was out of balance.
I note that DC managed to better Kimi’s pole time at Silverstone on Tuesday.
Kimi, of course, went even quicker with a time in the high 1m 17s.
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On 15 Jul 2004 11:25:01 GMT, "Brian Lawrence"
<Brian_W_LawrenceREMT…@msn.com> wrote:
>"Kim Andrews" <some…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15 Jul 2004 09:35:01 GMT, "Brian Lawrence"
>> <Brian_W_LawrenceREMT…@msn.com> wrote:
>> > 4 Coulthard, Heidfeld [Leinders]
>> Genuine question, as I didn’t follow every session and anyway have a
>> lousy memory (!) : what did the McLaren boys do wrong that put them so
>> far down the ranking?
>Well Kimi was joint top
Oops, managed to miss that!
>. DC apparently suffered with the effects of crosswind
>in qualifying which put him sixth, 0.9s slower than his team-mate. In the race
>his car was out of balance.
Hmmm… that’s rather what I was thinking. So the answer’s "not much"
then? Maybe they should start doing a separate team rating — might be
interesting, and perhaps would help them to remember that car & team
!= driver.
>I note that DC managed to better Kimi’s pole time at Silverstone on Tuesday.
>Kimi, of course, went even quicker with a time in the high 1m 17s.
He’s quick that lad, somebody give him a decent car! ;o)
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BigBird <bigb…@int.net> wrote:
>> Best of Season: Webber (6), R?ikk?nen (3), Fisichella (2) [Davidson
>> (4)]
>> Worst of Season: Trulli (5), Coulthard, Heidfeld (3), Pantano (2),
>> Gen? [Zonta (4), Leinders (6)]
> Brian can you explain these sections for me. I may be being a bit thick but
> it’s not obvious to me.
The number in brackets is the number of times the driver has received
that rating before – i.e. it’s the sixth time Webber got the same
rating.
pete
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"BigBird" <bigb…@int.net> wrote in message news:2lngagFea8aqU1@uni-berlin.de…
> Brian can you explain these sections for me. I may be being a bit thick but
> it’s not obvious to me.
I did post a reply but sent it to the unmoderated NG
Thanks for asking, I’m sure you were not the only one who couldn’t work it
out.
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"BigBird" <bigb…@int.net> somehow managed to post:
>Thanks but the other (dare I suggest genuine) replies posted previously were
>more than adequate. Perhaps you need a knew newsreader or news service or
>maybe new glasses if you didn’t see them.
<sigh>
You’ve got no idea how *moderated* newsgroups work, do you?
>BTW I never did figure Tussocks system which if you looked is why I asked
>him about it.
>I guess you are just tooooooo smart for all of us (reading ability
>excepted).
<another sigh>
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HooDooWitch wrote:
> "BigBird" <bigb…@int.net> somehow managed to post:
>> Thanks but the other (dare I suggest genuine) replies posted
>> previously were more than adequate. Perhaps you need a knew
>> newsreader or news service or maybe new glasses if you didn’t see
>> them.
> <sigh>
You may need to pass gas but do you need to narrate yourself . It is just
plain rude.
> You’ve got no idea how *moderated* newsgroups work, do you?
Some but not a great deal. Perhaps you would care to explain. Are you
suggesting it took 16 hours to moderate your redundant post?
>> BTW I never did figure Tussocks system which if you looked is why I
>> asked him about it.
>> I guess you are just tooooooo smart for all of us (reading ability
>> excepted).
> <another sigh>
> People in glass houses. …
Why not just keep you snide personal snipes outside of .moderated. They
don’t belong here.
Okay – that’s quite enough of that from the pair of you. If you want to have
this fight, have it by email please and not on the group.
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Note: this warning sent on-group as both posters are using invalid reply-to
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"BigBird" <bigb…@int.net> somehow managed to post:
>HooDooWitch wrote:
>> "BigBird" <bigb…@int.net> somehow managed to post:
>>> Thanks but the other (dare I suggest genuine) replies posted
>>> previously were more than adequate. Perhaps you need a knew
>>> newsreader or news service or maybe new glasses if you didn’t see
>>> them.
>> <sigh>
>You may need to pass gas but do you need to narrate yourself . It is just
>plain rude.
Since when? (Rhetorical question)
>> You’ve got no idea how *moderated* newsgroups work, do you?
>Some but not a great deal. Perhaps you would care to explain. Are you
>suggesting it took 16 hours to moderate your redundant post?
*ding*
As an infrequent poster in .moderated, my posts need checking to see
if I’ve spelt all the swear words correctly.
>>> BTW I never did figure Tussocks system which if you looked is why I
>>> asked him about it.
>>> I guess you are just tooooooo smart for all of us (reading ability
>>> excepted).
>> <another sigh>
>> People in glass houses. …
>Why not just keep you snide personal snipes outside of .moderated. They
>don’t belong here.
*ding*.
But I guess you really didn’t take the hint I handed to you in
unmodded country.
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David Betts wrote:
> Please knock it off, guys, or take it elsewhere. We don’t want to have
> to put you on hand moderation.
> Regards, David Betts
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> dav…@rasf1m.net
Thanks David. My apologies. I think we have.