I see MH is complaining that MS was weaving at the start of the Monza GP?
What crap, having RB beside him, this has got to be straightest I have ever
seen the pole sitter move off the start line. Compared to the start where DC
first crossed in front of MS who was on his right, and then pushed him left
into Fisi, this has got to be hypocracy in the extreme.
30
Nov
Mika crying again.
Mike Hesse <N…@supplied.com> wrote:
: I see MH is complaining that MS was weaving at the start of the Monza GP?
: What crap, having RB beside him, this has got to be straightest I have ever
: seen the pole sitter move off the start line. Compared to the start where DC
: first crossed in front of MS who was on his right, and then pushed him left
: into Fisi, this has got to be hypocracy in the extreme.
If you look at the race again, when entering the first chicane,
you can see Michael clearly changing his line twice in blocking
Hakkinen. But it’s another story if that had anything to do with
the outcome of the race. Michael was quicker and earned his
victory.
TTT
Mike Hesse <N…@supplied.com> wrote:
> seen the pole sitter move off the start line. Compared to the start where
DC
> first crossed in front of MS who was on his right, and then pushed him
left
> into Fisi, this has got to be hypocracy in the extreme.
Bullshit. In H-heim DC changed his line once and pushed MS nowhere. (How can
you push someone to the left when you’re coming from the left?) MS got a
taste of his own medicine – what DC did was the same MS did several times.
"Martin Schmidt" wrote
> Mike Hesse wrote:
> > <snip> this has got to be hypocracy in the extreme.
> Bullshit….etc
Gentlemen, let’s keep our discussions friendly please. I think this
thread is best laid to rest – at least under it’s current, somewhat
intemperate header. Both views have been clearly expressed. I don’t
see any reason for it to become ‘tit for tat’.
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:07:52 CST, Martin Schmidt <Der…@gmx.net> wrote:
>Mike Hesse <N…@supplied.com> wrote:
>> seen the pole sitter move off the start line. Compared to the start where
>DC
>> first crossed in front of MS who was on his right, and then pushed him
>left
>> into Fisi, this has got to be hypocracy in the extreme.
>Bullshit. In H-heim DC changed his line once and pushed MS nowhere. (How can
>you push someone to the left when you’re coming from the left?) MS got a
>taste of his own medicine – what DC did was the same MS did several times.
Easy, at the start DC was left on pole, MS on his right, as they pulled off, DC cut
in front of MS, MS went left to try pass DC on the left, DC then went left as well,
whilst MS was already starting to pass (ie MS’s front wheels were already
passed some part of DC’s car, so MS was also forced to go left. Fisi who was also
trying to pass MS had no where to go and they colided. It could be argued that DC
went left to take the racing line into the corner and he was entitled to do this as the
guy in front.
My point is simply that in this instance, the weaving was far more pronounced
than MS protecting the entrance into the first corner at Monza, and that MS is
singled out for doing this, when other drivers are not. It is either allowable or not,
and as MH had no problem with DC’s actions in this instance, he should have
no problems with MS’s at Monza.which were much tamer.
There is also massive hypocracy in those who feel MS had to brake and make
contact with DC (on the grounds he was allowed to move left onto the
racing line) but those same people have no problem with Fisi having not done
exactly this. If MS had made contact with DC, everyone would blaming him,
therefor Fisi should be blamed for no ensuring the same. MS has certainly erred
in the past, but this is no grounds for applying a different set of rules to him.
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:41:13 CST, Tauno Taipaleenmaki <tatai…@paju.oulu.fi> wrote:
>Mike Hesse <N…@supplied.com> wrote:
>: I see MH is complaining that MS was weaving at the start of the Monza GP?
>: What crap, having RB beside him, this has got to be straightest I have ever
>: seen the pole sitter move off the start line. Compared to the start where DC
>: first crossed in front of MS who was on his right, and then pushed him left
>: into Fisi, this has got to be hypocracy in the extreme.
> If you look at the race again, when entering the first chicane,
> you can see Michael clearly changing his line twice in blocking
> Hakkinen. But it’s another story if that had anything to do with
> the outcome of the race. Michael was quicker and earned his
> victory.
He initially moved right as a block and then left again at the entrance
to a right hand bend onto the racing line. I don’t see the point in
debating if these actions are considered weaving or not. Clearly
the track officials have not see transgressions. What I am objecting
to, is the common feeling amongst many that when MS does this,
it is not acceptable, but when DC does this, it is simply good
aggressive driving. It is either always wrong or always acceptable.
"Mike Hesse" wrote
> Easy, at the start…etc
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