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>In article <Xns9D00BE0C1E319AP…@127.0.0.1>, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde>
>wrote:

>> Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

>> > On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>> > wrote:

>> >> Hmm, 30.16.  I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>> >> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>> >> (ADA).

>> >> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>> >> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>> >> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.

>> > I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
>> > many at an F1 event?

>> > But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
>> > dogs?

>> The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
>> to a car race in the first place.

>The sounds, the smells, the electricity, even the food (especially at
>Indy).  I know a blind fellow who’s a huge fan.

When I was but a wee lad, we used to go to the drag races that had
"match racing" with fuelers.  We’d stand at or as close to the start
as we could.  Burned nitro, unburned nitro, burned rubber, clutch
dust, zoomie flames (all races were at night), monster burnouts.  And
about 30 milliseconds of the actual race.

Oh yeah, bad hot dogs, off mix Coke, cardboard pizza.
—

- dillon  I am not invalid

I love my country, It’s my government I fear.

Hey, turnabout’s fair play.

> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:55:07 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:

>>Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and
>>seeing it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without
>>actually seeing the race, one is missing the point IMHO.

> Blind people might as well just kill themselves, then?

> They can experience a race just as well as they can experience
> anything else. The point is the competition, not the pretty colours.

Oh, come on. I never said anything of the kind. You’re twisting my words
into some sort of vindicitve discrimination. I don’t expect to have
blind people driving on the road eaither, but that hardly means I hate
them. they’re *blind*. That’s what the word means.

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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:55:07 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
>news:vj43l5pa35641i9ploeesffl4vterklj3f@4ax.com:

>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:

>>>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

>>>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> Hmm, 30.16.  I don’t know about any countries outside of the US,
>>>>> but this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>>>>> (ADA).

>>>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by
>>>>> the FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track,
>>>>> in the pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.

>>>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you
>>>> get many at an F1 event?

>>>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about
>>>> guide dogs?

>>>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to
>>>go to a car race in the first place.

>> Explain why you think they wouldn’t.

>Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and seeing
>it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without actually seeing
>the race, one is missing the point IMHO.

Blind people might as well just kill themselves, then?

They can experience a race just as well as they can experience
anything else. The point is the competition, not the pretty colours.

–

Ian D

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> In article <Xns9D02D204D60C4AP…@127.0.0.1>, AP…@floor.tilde
> says…

>> Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
>> news:vj43l5pa35641i9ploeesffl4vterklj3f@4ax.com:

>> Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and
>> seeing it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without
>> actually seein
> g
>> the race, one is missing the point IMHO.

> But they can listen into the commentary, while having all the extra
> input of "being there". I don’t understand why anybody would think a
> blind person shouldn’t want to be there. That thinking ends up with
> them never leaving home!

And that *is* the atmosphere part I mentioned in my post.

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> Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
> news:vj43l5pa35641i9ploeesffl4vterklj3f@4ax.com:

> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:

> >>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> >>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
> >>> wrote:

> >>>> Hmm, 30.16.  I don’t know about any countries outside of the US,
> >>>> but this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
> >>>> (ADA).

> >>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by
> >>>> the FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track,
> >>>> in the pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.

> >>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you
> >>> get many at an F1 event?

> >>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about
> >>> guide dogs?

> >>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to
> >>go to a car race in the first place.

> > Explain why you think they wouldn’t.

> Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and seeing
> it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without actually seeing
> the race, one is missing the point IMHO.

But they can listen into the commentary, while having all the extra
input of "being there". I don’t understand why anybody would think a
blind person shouldn’t want to be there. That thinking ends up with them
never leaving home!

–
Cheers, Kimbo

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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>> wrote:

>>> Hmm, 30.16.  I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>>> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>>> (ADA).

>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>>> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>>> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.

>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
>> many at an F1 event?

>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
>> dogs?

>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
>to a car race in the first place.

Explain why you think they wouldn’t.

–

Ian D

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> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:

>>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

>>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>>> wrote:

>>>> Hmm, 30.16.  I don’t know about any countries outside of the US,
>>>> but this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>>>> (ADA).

>>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by
>>>> the FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track,
>>>> in the pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.

>>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you
>>> get many at an F1 event?

>>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about
>>> guide dogs?

>>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to
>>go to a car race in the first place.

> Explain why you think they wouldn’t.

Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and seeing
it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without actually seeing
the race, one is missing the point IMHO.

> [Default] Thus spake Mark Jackson<mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu>:
>> To bring dogs in France back on-topic for rasf1m:  how about the
>> overturning of the FIA’s sanctions in the Singapore08 affair?
> 4) mud in Bernie’s face.

Um, Bernie has, at least in public, rather supportive of Flavio.  Don’t
see how the latter’s victory in court – however narrowly decided on
procedural grounds – embarrasses him.

–
Mark Jackson – http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
     Low effectiveness is a general characteristic of organizations.
                     - Amitai Etzioni

<mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Really, however, this is getting pretty far afield for a moderated
> group.  To bring dogs in France back on-topic for rasf1m:  how about the
> overturning of the FIA’s sanctions in the Singapore08 affair?

It promises to turn into further entertainment, as the court found
only that the FIA had exceeded its level of jurisdiction, not that
Flav was innocent, but Flav is now protesting his innocence and
threatening to sue assorted Piquets past, present and future.

The FA have breathed a huge sigh of relief as having a cheating, lying
potential murderer as the owner of a football club is fine as long as
he hasn’t actually been penalised for it, so QPR haven’t got to go
chasing another buyer.

–
Mike Fleming

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> Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> > On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
> > wrote:

> >> Hmm, 30.16.  I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
> >> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
> >> (ADA).

> >> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
> >> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
> >> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.

> > I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
> > many at an F1 event?

> > But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
> > dogs?

> The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
> to a car race in the first place.

The sounds, the smells, the electricity, even the food (especially at
Indy).  I know a blind fellow who’s a huge fan.

–

Cheers!

Mudge

"And if California slides into the ocean like the mystics and
statistics say it will, I predict this hotel will be standing
until I pay my bill."