A new version of the 2010 Sporting Regulations is up on the FIA website
[may need unwrapping]:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldCh…
Includes what we already knew about (e.g. revised point structure with
illogical relationship between 6th, 7th, and 8th) and some I, at least,
did not. Changes are redlined for easy comparison with the previous
final version.
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about things that aren’t interesting to anybody else?
- Josh Fruhlinger
Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> kirjoitti 16.12.2009:
> http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldCh...
> Includes what we already knew about (e.g. revised point structure with
> illogical relationship between 6th, 7th, and 8th) and some I, at least,
> did not. Changes are redlined for easy comparison with the previous
> final version.
The new Lex Badoer – or perhaps Lex Schumacher? – (in 22.1c) appears eminently
sensible. It allows a team to run one day of track testing during the season
for the purpose of giving a driver replacement experience with the current car.
(There are additional requirements I have not summarised here.)
–
Mr. Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyvaskyla, Finland
[Default] Thus spake Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu>:
>A new version of the 2010 Sporting Regulations is up on the FIA website
>[may need unwrapping]:
>http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldCh...
>Includes what we already knew about (e.g. revised point structure with
>illogical relationship between 6th, 7th, and 8th) and some I, at least,
>did not. Changes are redlined for easy comparison with the previous
>final version.
Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
We foster service dogs about once every three or four years and they
get to go everywhere. They have cute little capes that identify them
as such. One of Carol’s co-workers was fostering a service dog and
the dog was taken to work almost every day. He even had an ID badge.
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- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It’s my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout’s fair play.
Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:g4r2j5to9ek1ra7sbgv16uummefs1gqhku@4ax.com:
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> [Default] Thus spake Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu>:
>>A new version of the 2010 Sporting Regulations is up on the FIA
>>website [may need unwrapping]:
>>http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldCham
>>pionship.aspx
>>Includes what we already knew about (e.g. revised point structure with
>>illogical relationship between 6th, 7th, and 8th) and some I, at
>>least, did not. Changes are redlined for easy comparison with the
>>previous final version.
> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
> We foster service dogs about once every three or four years and they
> get to go everywhere. They have cute little capes that identify them
> as such. One of Carol’s co-workers was fostering a service dog and
> the dog was taken to work almost every day. He even had an ID badge.
The problem here – in Canada – is that there’s Guide Dogs and then
there’s service animals – which just may be a dog someone who is nervous
has for companionship. Only the guide dogs are actually trained. I’m not
sure of the statuatory details, but the law is sufficiently vague that
there’s been problems with stores and restaurants.
[Default] Thus spake APLer <AP…@floor.tilde>:
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>Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com> wrote in
>news:g4r2j5to9ek1ra7sbgv16uummefs1gqhku@4ax.com:
>> [Default] Thus spake Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu>:
>>>A new version of the 2010 Sporting Regulations is up on the FIA
>>>website [may need unwrapping]:
>>>http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIAFormulaOneWorldCham
>>>pionship.aspx
>>>Includes what we already knew about (e.g. revised point structure with
>>>illogical relationship between 6th, 7th, and 8th) and some I, at
>>>least, did not. Changes are redlined for easy comparison with the
>>>previous final version.
>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
>> We foster service dogs about once every three or four years and they
>> get to go everywhere. They have cute little capes that identify them
>> as such. One of Carol’s co-workers was fostering a service dog and
>> the dog was taken to work almost every day. He even had an ID badge.
>The problem here – in Canada – is that there’s Guide Dogs and then
>there’s service animals – which just may be a dog someone who is nervous
>has for companionship. Only the guide dogs are actually trained. I’m not
>sure of the statuatory details, but the law is sufficiently vague that
>there’s been problems with stores and restaurants.
In the US, Canine Companions for Indepence (CCI) train dogs for
several different requirements. Corgis, obviously, aren’t great guide
dogs, unless you’re really short (we’ll ignore acondroplasia for the
moment). But they do work well as hearing dogs and go do things like
"answer" the phone and wake you up when the alarm clock goes off, or a
smoke alarm.
Yes, there are monkeys, miniture horses, etc. But if they are
certified as a service animal, then they are one. Now our Corgis are
therapy dogs, which is a different matter. Ruby loves kids and they,
mostly, love her. So she’s popular in children’s wards. Toby is more
of a snuggler and is welcome in many of the assisted living and
nursing homes in the area.
Many of the stores have a sign that prohibits animals "with the
exception of service animals". Vague? You bet. Now restaurants are
a different situation, by law. So far, there’s been no fight, but I
see it coming. Austin now allows dogs in "outside venues", and some
provide water bowls and treats.
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- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It’s my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout’s fair play.
On 1/7/2010 12:55 PM, Dillon Pyron wrote:
> In the US,
[snip]
> Many of the stores have a sign that prohibits animals "with the
> exception of service animals". Vague? You bet. Now restaurants are
> a different situation, by law.
When we were living in Paris in 1976-77 folks commonly brought their
(small) dogs into restaurants. My impression is that dogs were more
common there than young children.
Really, however, this is getting pretty far afield for a moderated
group. To bring dogs in France back on-topic for rasf1m: how about the
overturning of the FIA’s sanctions in the Singapore08 affair?
–
Mark Jackson – http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
Low effectiveness is a general characteristic of organizations.
- Amitai Etzioni
On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
wrote:
> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
many at an F1 event?
But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
dogs?
[Default] Thus spake Mark Jackson <mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu>:
>On 1/7/2010 12:55 PM, Dillon Pyron wrote:
>> In the US,
>[snip]
>> Many of the stores have a sign that prohibits animals "with the
>> exception of service animals". Vague? You bet. Now restaurants are
>> a different situation, by law.
>When we were living in Paris in 1976-77 folks commonly brought their
>(small) dogs into restaurants. My impression is that dogs were more
>common there than young children.
1) They still do, and large ones at the streetside cafes, at least as
of 10-SEP-2001.
2) and are probably better behaved than the kids
>Really, however, this is getting pretty far afield for a moderated
>group. To bring dogs in France back on-topic for rasf1m: how about the
>overturning of the FIA’s sanctions in the Singapore08 affair?
3) yes it is.
4) mud in Bernie’s face.
—
- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It’s my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout’s fair play.
[Default] Thus spake Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com>:
>On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>wrote:
>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
>I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
>many at an F1 event?
Personally, I’ve never seen one.
>But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
>dogs?
op. cit.
(I think that’s correct, the citation system I’ve had to use doesn’t
use those terms)
–
- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It’s my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout’s fair play.
Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
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> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>> (ADA).
>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
> many at an F1 event?
> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
> dogs?
The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
to a car race in the first place.
In article <Xns9D00BE0C1E319AP…@127.0.0.1>, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde>
wrote:
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> Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> > On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
> >> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
> >> (ADA).
> >> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
> >> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
> >> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
> > I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
> > many at an F1 event?
> > But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
> > dogs?
> The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
> to a car race in the first place.
The sounds, the smells, the electricity, even the food (especially at
Indy). I know a blind fellow who’s a huge fan.
–
Cheers!
Mudge
"And if California slides into the ocean like the mystics and
statistics say it will, I predict this hotel will be standing
until I pay my bill."
On 1/14/2010 2:45 PM, Dillon Pyron wrote:
> [Default] Thus spake Mark Jackson<mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu>:
>> To bring dogs in France back on-topic for rasf1m: how about the
>> overturning of the FIA’s sanctions in the Singapore08 affair?
> 4) mud in Bernie’s face.
Um, Bernie has, at least in public, rather supportive of Flavio. Don’t
see how the latter’s victory in court – however narrowly decided on
procedural grounds – embarrasses him.
–
Mark Jackson – http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
Low effectiveness is a general characteristic of organizations.
- Amitai Etzioni
In article <7qnhucF6i…@mid.individual.net>, Mark Jackson
<mjack…@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Really, however, this is getting pretty far afield for a moderated
> group. To bring dogs in France back on-topic for rasf1m: how about the
> overturning of the FIA’s sanctions in the Singapore08 affair?
It promises to turn into further entertainment, as the court found
only that the FIA had exceeded its level of jurisdiction, not that
Flav was innocent, but Flav is now protesting his innocence and
threatening to sue assorted Piquets past, present and future.
The FA have breathed a huge sigh of relief as having a cheating, lying
potential murderer as the owner of a football club is fine as long as
he hasn’t actually been penalised for it, so QPR haven’t got to go
chasing another buyer.
–
Mike Fleming
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>>> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>>> (ADA).
>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>>> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>>> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
>> many at an F1 event?
>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
>> dogs?
>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
>to a car race in the first place.
Explain why you think they wouldn’t.
–
Ian D
Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
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> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US,
>>>> but this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>>>> (ADA).
>>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by
>>>> the FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track,
>>>> in the pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
>>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you
>>> get many at an F1 event?
>>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about
>>> guide dogs?
>>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to
>>go to a car race in the first place.
> Explain why you think they wouldn’t.
Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and seeing
it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without actually seeing
the race, one is missing the point IMHO.
In article <Xns9D02D204D60C4AP…@127.0.0.1>, AP…@floor.tilde says…
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> Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
> news:vj43l5pa35641i9ploeesffl4vterklj3f@4ax.com:
> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
> >>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> >>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US,
> >>>> but this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
> >>>> (ADA).
> >>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by
> >>>> the FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track,
> >>>> in the pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
> >>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you
> >>> get many at an F1 event?
> >>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about
> >>> guide dogs?
> >>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to
> >>go to a car race in the first place.
> > Explain why you think they wouldn’t.
> Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and seeing
> it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without actually seeing
> the race, one is missing the point IMHO.
But they can listen into the commentary, while having all the extra
input of "being there". I don’t understand why anybody would think a
blind person shouldn’t want to be there. That thinking ends up with them
never leaving home!
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:55:07 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
>news:vj43l5pa35641i9ploeesffl4vterklj3f@4ax.com:
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:50:24 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>>>Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>>>> On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US,
>>>>> but this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>>>>> (ADA).
>>>>> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by
>>>>> the FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track,
>>>>> in the pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
>>>> I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you
>>>> get many at an F1 event?
>>>> But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about
>>>> guide dogs?
>>>The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to
>>>go to a car race in the first place.
>> Explain why you think they wouldn’t.
>Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and seeing
>it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without actually seeing
>the race, one is missing the point IMHO.
Blind people might as well just kill themselves, then?
They can experience a race just as well as they can experience
anything else. The point is the competition, not the pretty colours.
–
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Kim Andrews <byki…@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> In article <Xns9D02D204D60C4AP…@127.0.0.1>, AP…@floor.tilde
> says…
>> Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
>> news:vj43l5pa35641i9ploeesffl4vterklj3f@4ax.com:
>> Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and
>> seeing it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without
>> actually seein
> g
>> the race, one is missing the point IMHO.
> But they can listen into the commentary, while having all the extra
> input of "being there". I don’t understand why anybody would think a
> blind person shouldn’t want to be there. That thinking ends up with
> them never leaving home!
And that *is* the atmosphere part I mentioned in my post.
Ian Dalziel <iandalz…@lineone.net> wrote in
news:p9n5l59rk1anc72pmdvicn8h390is7ofs2@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:55:07 +0000, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde> wrote:
>>Simply because they couldn’t see the cars. Going to a car race and
>>seeing it as an atmosphere thing has it’s advantages, but without
>>actually seeing the race, one is missing the point IMHO.
> Blind people might as well just kill themselves, then?
> They can experience a race just as well as they can experience
> anything else. The point is the competition, not the pretty colours.
Oh, come on. I never said anything of the kind. You’re twisting my words
into some sort of vindicitve discrimination. I don’t expect to have
blind people driving on the road eaither, but that hardly means I hate
them. they’re *blind*. That’s what the word means.
[Default] Thus spake Curmudgeon <le…@me.alone>:
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>In article <Xns9D00BE0C1E319AP…@127.0.0.1>, APLer <AP…@floor.tilde>
>wrote:
>> Bob Dubery <megap…@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ae10c70e-34f1-4bdf-b572-5006887a05d8@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
>> > On Dec 23 2009, 3:10 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy…@austin.rr.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hmm, 30.16. I don’t know about any countries outside of the US, but
>> >> this reg is in violaiton of the Americans with Disabilities Act
>> >> (ADA).
>> >> Animals, except those which may have been expressly authorised by the
>> >> FIA for use by security services, are forbidden on the track, in the
>> >> pit lane, in the paddock or in any spectator area.
>> > I guess the obvious case is guide dogs for blind people. Would you get
>> > many at an F1 event?
>> > But that regulation does surprise me. What do, say, IRL do about guide
>> > dogs?
>> The first thing I’d want to know is why a blind person would want to go
>> to a car race in the first place.
>The sounds, the smells, the electricity, even the food (especially at
>Indy). I know a blind fellow who’s a huge fan.
When I was but a wee lad, we used to go to the drag races that had
"match racing" with fuelers. We’d stand at or as close to the start
as we could. Burned nitro, unburned nitro, burned rubber, clutch
dust, zoomie flames (all races were at night), monster burnouts. And
about 30 milliseconds of the actual race.
Oh yeah, bad hot dogs, off mix Coke, cardboard pizza.
—
- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It’s my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout’s fair play.