Got a text message through today from the Orange F1 info service
saying that Peter Sauber’s in talks with VW about a possible return to
F1. As Emma pointed out, Audi are pulling their works ALMS team out
(Bentley’s becoming sort of semi-works for LM) so if VAG want a
first-class motorsport presence, F1 with Sauber might be the sensible
thing to do…
Who knows, it might just be the nudge Sauber needs to take his team into
the big time…
Anyone know more about this?
pete
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Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> writes
>Got a text message through today from the Orange F1 info service
>saying that Peter Sauber’s in talks with VW about a possible return to
>F1. As Emma pointed out, Audi are pulling their works ALMS team out
>(Bentley’s becoming sort of semi-works for LM) so if VAG want a
>first-class motorsport presence, F1 with Sauber might be the sensible
>thing to do…
I also said that a Sauber-Skoda sounded good…
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Emma wrote:
> Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> writes
>> Got a text message through today from the Orange F1 info service
>> saying that Peter Sauber’s in talks with VW about a possible return
>> to F1. As Emma pointed out, Audi are pulling their works ALMS team
>> out (Bentley’s becoming sort of semi-works for LM) so if VAG want a
>> first-class motorsport presence, F1 with Sauber might be the sensible
>> thing to do…
> I also said that a Sauber-Skoda sounded good…
What other toys have VAG got in the box?
Sauber-Audi would make a bit of a mouthful, Sauber-SEAT flows a bit better.
Are they the present owners of Lambo?
Minardi-Skoda would work on so many levels, the under-rated underdogs come
good.
–
James…
http://www.jameshart.co.uk/
Emma <E…@excalvehs.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com> writes
>>Got a text message through today from the Orange F1 info service
>>saying that Peter Sauber’s in talks with VW about a possible return to
>>F1. As Emma pointed out, Audi are pulling their works ALMS team out
>>(Bentley’s becoming sort of semi-works for LM) so if VAG want a
>>first-class motorsport presence, F1 with Sauber might be the sensible
>>thing to do…
> I also said that a Sauber-Skoda sounded good…
Better than a Phoenix/DART-Skoda, anyway!
(glad to see you survived the cake and got home ok
)
pete
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p…@fenelon.com "there’s no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB
Pete Fenelon wrote:
> Got a text message through today from the Orange F1 info service
> saying that Peter Sauber’s in talks with VW about a possible return to
> F1. As Emma pointed out, Audi are pulling their works ALMS team out
> (Bentley’s becoming sort of semi-works for LM) so if VAG want a
> first-class motorsport presence, F1 with Sauber might be the sensible
> thing to do…
> Who knows, it might just be the nudge Sauber needs to take his team into
> the big time…
> Anyone know more about this?
> pete
Some of the Porsche folks were talking F1 at Indy. It really is silly
season.
dillon
On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:54:47 GMT, Pete Fenelon <p…@fenelon.com>
wrote:
>Got a text message through today from the Orange F1 info service
>saying that Peter Sauber’s in talks with VW about a possible return to
>F1.
Well, everybody and his dog have been talking to VAG since the year
dot. McLaren were very close to an Audi deal in the early ’90s. I
remember senior people in Shell’s motor sport department asking me
about exploiting the Auto Union heritage.
VAG has consistently denied any interest in F1, most recently a couple
of weeks ago, so it’s probably true.
David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)
"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner
British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
David Betts <dav…@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:
> Well, everybody and his dog have been talking to VAG since the year
> dot. McLaren were very close to an Audi deal in the early ’90s. I
> remember senior people in Shell’s motor sport department asking me
> about exploiting the Auto Union heritage.
As were Benetton at one point – ISTR there being rumours in Dave
Richard’s time there of a 555 Prodrive-Benetton Audi.
> VAG has consistently denied any interest in F1, most recently a couple
> of weeks ago, so it’s probably true.
It makes sense to come in while there’s teams that could be bought
cheaply…
pete
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p…@fenelon.com "there’s no room for enigmas in built-up areas" HMHB
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:19:08 GMT, Dillon Pyron <dmpy…@austin.rr.com>
wrote:
>Some of the Porsche folks were talking F1 at Indy.
Porsche will do another F1 engine when somebody pays them to do so.
The projected Gurney team has been mentioned in the same breath.
David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)
"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner
British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg
David Betts wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:19:08 GMT, Dillon Pyron <dmpy…@austin.rr.com>
> wrote:
>>Some of the Porsche folks were talking F1 at Indy.
> Porsche will do another F1 engine when somebody pays them to do so.
The big question is whether anyone would want to after the total lack of
perceived effort from Porsche the last time they came into F1. The
Footwork-Porsche was a total joke from start to finish.
–
Stephen M Baines
.
Stephen M Baines <step…@localhost.motorsport.org.uk> wrote:
>>>Some of the Porsche folks were talking F1 at Indy.
>> Porsche will do another F1 engine when somebody pays them to do so.
> The big question is whether anyone would want to after the total lack of
> perceived effort from Porsche the last time they came into F1. The
> Footwork-Porsche was a total joke from start to finish.
…because it was basically Metzger cobbling two slightly enlarged
TAG V6s together back to back with power takeoff halfway down the crank
(just like the old 917 flat-12) as a paper exercise – John Barnard
was offered it when he was at McLaren and his first reaction was
that they’d sent him enlarged blueprints!
Meat Loaf then decided that if Onyx couldn’t have it for their F1 car
he wasn’t playing- which was convenient ‘cos he had no money.
Jackie Oliver landed up getting this sorry lump – and they’d dropped it
by mid-season – Porsche officially withdrew it before the end of the
year, too.
All in all, it was a sorry lump of rubbish that appeared at a very low
point in Porsche’s motorsport career – their Indycar programme was
flopping, the 962 was becoming obsolete, there was nowhere to race 911s
on the international stage and the 968 wasn’t a race car in any
sensible way!
pete
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Steve R.:
> The way I remembered it, the "Ford" branding resulted in free
> engines, but I haven’t checked that and I could have mis-remembered.
> Could anyone confirm – are [Jordan] paying for their engines?
I believe the most correct answer is "who knows?"…
I’ve read (probably on F1 Magazine) that they are actually paying
Cosworth, but getting a rebate from Ford because of the blue badge,
plus a commission out of Ford for brokering the DHL/Deutsche Post
van-selling deal. This could cover all expenses for the
engines. Maybe.
But, what happens if DHL/Deutsche Post leaves Jordan as rumored?
–
Alessio F. Bragadini ales…@sevenseas.org
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Alessio Bragadini wrote:
> Steve R.:
>>The way I remembered it, the "Ford" branding resulted in free
>>engines, but I haven’t checked that and I could have mis-remembered.
>>Could anyone confirm – are [Jordan] paying for their engines?
> I believe the most correct answer is "who knows?"…
> I’ve read (probably on F1 Magazine) that they are actually paying
> Cosworth, but getting a rebate from Ford because of the blue badge,
> plus a commission out of Ford for brokering the DHL/Deutsche Post
> van-selling deal. This could cover all expenses for the
> engines. Maybe.
> But, what happens if DHL/Deutsche Post leaves Jordan as rumored?
Don’t they still have one year left on that contract? Of course, that
doesn’t seem to have bothered Honda any.
dillon
"Alessio Bragadini" <ales…@sevenseas.org> wrote in message
news:20021005163205.A25547@abulafia.sevenseas.org…
> Steve R.:
> > The way I remembered it, the "Ford" branding resulted in free
> > engines, but I haven’t checked that and I could have mis-remembered.
> > Could anyone confirm – are [Jordan] paying for their engines?
> I believe the most correct answer is "who knows?"…
> I’ve read (probably on F1 Magazine) that they are actually paying
> Cosworth, but getting a rebate from Ford because of the blue badge,
> plus a commission out of Ford for brokering the DHL/Deutsche Post
> van-selling deal. This could cover all expenses for the
> engines. Maybe.
I read the same story and in addition it said more likely Jordan would
probably only get $5 mil, but *could* get as much as 20 mil on vehicle
commissions.
It also said this is very interesting to Fisichella and his manager because
his contract is said to be dependant on Jordan having "works" engines. So
apparently if Ford badges the engine and Ford advertises on the car it’s a
"works" engine?
They keep using the word "works", but I wonder if the contract actually says
"customer", or "partner", or ???
-=Bob Heathcote
Bob,
everybody,
Hi
That’s pretty much been my take … EJ has a contract for Ford
engines, which he pays for, but gets commission (guaranteed?) on
vehicle sales to one (or more) of his sponsors. And that sponsor deal
may be turnign sour, cos the sponsor may be leaving.
But the available engine is this year’s Jag engine, & then once the
new ’03 Jag engine is available to the Jaguar team: in an interview on
Sky Nikki said they have a lot of ’02 engines – that would be 2 teams
worth, some of which won’t have been fully used by Arrows in the last
3d of the season, & Nikki Lauda would also sell last year’s ’01 engine
to somebody if he could find a buyer.
Now Nikki was in the USA when he said all this, and it may have been
politic to sound like he way being careful with company money.
Will R
who just found you guys
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> "Alessio Bragadini" <ales…@sevenseas.org> wrote in message
> news:20021005163205.A25547@abulafia.sevenseas.org…
> > Steve R.:
> > > The way I remembered it, the "Ford" branding resulted in free
> > > engines, but I haven’t checked that and I could have mis-remembered.
> > > Could anyone confirm – are [Jordan] paying for their engines?
> > I believe the most correct answer is "who knows?"…
> > I’ve read (probably on F1 Magazine) that they are actually paying
> > Cosworth, but getting a rebate from Ford because of the blue badge,
> > plus a commission out of Ford for brokering the DHL/Deutsche Post
> > van-selling deal. This could cover all expenses for the
> > engines. Maybe.
> I read the same story and in addition it said more likely Jordan would
> probably only get $5 mil, but *could* get as much as 20 mil on vehicle
> commissions.
> It also said this is very interesting to Fisichella and his manager because
> his contract is said to be dependant on Jordan having "works" engines. So
> apparently if Ford badges the engine and Ford advertises on the car it’s a
> "works" engine?
> They keep using the word "works", but I wonder if the contract actually says
> "customer", or "partner", or ???
> -=Bob Heathcote
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Alessio Bragadini wrote:
> Steve R.:
>>The way I remembered it, the "Ford" branding resulted in free
>>engines, but I haven’t checked that and I could have mis-remembered.
>>Could anyone confirm – are [Jordan] paying for their engines?
> I believe the most correct answer is "who knows?"…
> I’ve read (probably on F1 Magazine) that they are actually paying
> Cosworth, but getting a rebate from Ford because of the blue badge,
> plus a commission out of Ford for brokering the DHL/Deutsche Post
> van-selling deal. This could cover all expenses for the
> engines. Maybe.
Don’t forget that Honda may be giving them a bit of money, since
there was a contract and Honda was paying the bills for 2003,
supposedly.
Eddie actually stretched the truth about his deal with FOrd,
initially, scared Niki L. so much he called an emergency
meeting with Ford about it. EJ then backed off saying
he would get upgraded 2002 engines rather than the 2003.
EJ is an enjoyable character, but blarney he has!!!