According to the Ferrari website Barrichello has signed a contract with
Ferrari. To me that sounds like the most stupid thing he could ever do.
At the moment he is driving for a team that is trying to find it’s way to
the top and making progress year by year. For next year the situation seems
to look even better since the budget for the team will again be much higher
and the support from Ford has allready been very helpfull in making
progress. Another year with even more reliability and maybe even a first win
will give RB a status like MH who stayed with McLaren even in tough days and
is now getting his reward.
What is going to happen now. EI has been the second driver for years and RB
will not get a better position either. Being new in a team you need time
to find your pace and time is something Ferrari does not have so there will
not be any fair competition in the team. The only thing that can work in
his advantage is if Mr. Wheelbanger is not returning but that seems very
unlikely. I would say RB is walking away from his responsability and is
choosing the easy way out hoping that luck comes his way while driving for
Ford(or whatever the name will be next year) was a way for him to proove
that he can really become a valuable man to a F1-team. If Irvine takes RB
place, which is more than likely, he seems to be in the best
position………
Bartus(who tried to avoid any qualifications in this posting that might make
the moderators dicide to destroy 8 minutes of his valuable time)
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> According to the Ferrari website Barrichello has signed a contract with
> Ferrari. To me that sounds like the most stupid thing he could ever do.
Good for him. He is an ambitious driver after all, and just how many people
would turn down a drive at Ferrari?, even if he is No 2 (which has not yet
been totally ascertained!) its still a dream come true. When Irvine got the
drive in late ’95, Rubens offered his services for free and was gutted when
Irvine got the job…
> At the moment he is driving for a team that is trying to find it’s way to
> the top and making progress year by year. For next year the situation
seems
> to look even better since the budget for the team will again be much
higher
> and the support from Ford has allready been very helpfull in making
> progress. Another year with even more reliability and maybe even a first
win
> will give RB a status like MH who stayed with McLaren even in tough days
and
> is now getting his reward.
Its a gamble leaving, but lets see what Stewart / Ford /Jaguar (whatever
they are called) can come up with for 2000.
> What is going to happen now. EI has been the second driver for years and
RB
> will not get a better position either. Being new in a team you need time
> to find your pace and time is something Ferrari does not have so there
will
> not be any fair competition in the team. The only thing that can work in
> his advantage is if Mr. Wheelbanger is not returning but that seems very
> unlikely. I would say RB is walking away from his responsability and is
> choosing the easy way out hoping that luck comes his way while driving for
> Ford(or whatever the name will be next year) was a way for him to proove
> that he can really become a valuable man to a F1-team. If Irvine takes RB
> place, which is more than likely, he seems to be in the best
> position………
Eddie may well have been a number 2 for years, but his stock has risen far
higher than it would have done anywhere else. Ford are paying him $10
million a year and he has his Ferrari past to thank for that, plus a few
wins and more podiums than you could shake a stick at..
Rob
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
I agree that EI is making by far the smartest move. Ford are throwing money
at that team, the engine is already almost the best and once they get the
chassis sorted out, they’ll be a major force. Ford have just got so much
more resources than Fiat, Mercedes or BMW, not just in terms of money but
also technology and computing.
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
RT wrote in message <7qrnj3$ls…@newshost.germany.net>…
.. Ford have just got so much
>more resources than Fiat, Mercedes or BMW, not just in terms of money but
>also technology and computing.
That’s why Ford kicks everyone else`s a** in all the other categories of
racing, right?
gus
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
On Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:37:21 CST, Rob said …
> <bartus_g@my_deja.com> wrote in message
> news:7qqrme$h6l$1@zonnetje.nl.uu.net…
> > According to the Ferrari website Barrichello has signed a contract with
> > Ferrari. To me that sounds like the most stupid thing he could ever do.
> Good for him. He is an ambitious driver after all, and just how many people
> would turn down a drive at Ferrari?, even if he is No 2 (which has not yet
> been totally ascertained!) its still a dream come true. When Irvine got the
> drive in late ’95, Rubens offered his services for free and was gutted when
> Irvine got the job…
Driving for Ferrari *used* to be a dream come true, but I don’t think
it has quite the same attraction today. They still have the history
and the prestige, but they also have a driver who seems able to make
his own terms and conditions, to the detriment of the team’s other
driver. Unless Barrichello has been able to negotiate more favourable
terms than Irvine operated under, I think this is a bad move for him.
Jean Alesi turned down a drive at Williams to go to Ferrari… I just
hope Barrichello isn’t making a similar mistake by choosing to leave
Stewart before they’ve had a chance to become competitive.
Cheers,
Julie
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
I think Barri can make a go of things at Ferrari. This is how I can
see things going for him, if he is good enough to make it happen.
He’ll spend 2000, 2001 and maybe even 2002 playing second driver to MS.
But in this time he will get to know the car, establish himself within
the team and develop the chassis to his style etc.
Then when MS retires (inevitable really) in approximately 3 years,
Barri will be in the perfect position to take over as no.1 and do the
honours for Marranello….
….wishful thinking perhaps, but I believe it could happen if Barri is
good enough.
Luciano
<<FORZA FERRARI>>
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
Julie Miles wrote:
> Driving for Ferrari *used* to be a dream come true, but I don’t think
> it has quite the same attraction today.
Ferrari is still attractive. Agreed that anyone wishing to join the team has to
play 2nd driver to MS, but I look at it this way – even if MS was on equal
status with anyone on the F1 grid today, I am *positive* that in a Ferrari he
would be faster.
Arrogant, dangerous…. …call him what you will, but MS is pure fast and no one
will be able to beat him in a Ferrari. But I do agree with you that Ferrari
would be more appealing if they offered equal status, at least then drivers would
be given the chance to challenge MS.
Luciano
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:10:12 CST, Luciano
<Luci…@melito.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>I think Barri can make a go of things at Ferrari. This is how I can
>see things going for him, if he is good enough to make it happen.
>He’ll spend 2000, 2001 and maybe even 2002 playing second driver to MS.
>But in this time he will get to know the car, establish himself within
>the team and develop the chassis to his style etc.
Get the team to develop the chassis to suit *him* while playing second
role to Schumacher… sounds a tad optimistic.
>Then when MS retires (inevitable really) in approximately 3 years,
>Barri will be in the perfect position to take over as no.1 and do the
>honours for Marranello….
By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
I’d have said.
>….wishful thinking perhaps, but I believe it could happen if Barri is
>good enough.
It’s a nice idea but, I’m not holding my breath.
Kimbo
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
Kim Andrews wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:10:12 CST, Luciano
> <Luci…@melito.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> >Then when MS retires (inevitable really) in approximately 3 years,
> >Barri will be in the perfect position to take over as no.1 and do the
> >honours for Marranello….
> By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
> I’d have said.
?
Rubens has time on his hands I would say, he’s one of the youngest in
the top teams by a few years, and if his career lasts as long as many
(shall we say till he is 35, which BTW is a very good age indeed and one
at which many men only just start to be able to acheive their potential
:^)) then he has 7/8 years left…
There has been a lot of chatter regarding Rubens mental "weaknesses", I
think many forget that
he is still relatively young, and was only 22 when Senna was killed…
People mature and develop mental strength as
I reckon this could be a good move for RB, Michaels star is on the wane
methinks, and if Rubens gets on his pace quickly (not impossible looking
at his recent performanances, then tings will be very interesting indeed
chez Ferrari…
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
Lets not forget the materialistic answer to the question that this thread
asks. As reported in the Daily Telegraph, £6 million a year is better than
£3 million at Stewart. Add to that the mega marketing dosh from being at the
Scuderia which should double his income (quadruple it if he should become
the World Champion) and you have to say its an offer not to be refused. Add
to that the ‘glamour and fame’ aspect which may or may not appeal to Rubens,
driving a Ferrari is every red blooded boys dream (well that and Liz Hurley
jelly wrestling with Gerri Halliwell !). Also this age thing is not an
issue for Rubens, if he does well at Ferrari then he will still be in his
early thirties when Schu retires, Senna was still brilliant at that age and
even Damon Hill managed a World Championship at what, 35?. At this stage,
with his amazing depth of experience and natural skill he just could become
one of the best drivers ever.
rob
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:38:46 CST, Tony Scholes <to…@beacon.co.uk>
wrote:
>Kim Andrews wrote:
>> By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
>> I’d have said.
>Rubens has time on his hands I would say, he’s one of the youngest in
>the top teams by a few years, and if his career lasts as long as many
>(shall we say till he is 35, which BTW is a very good age indeed and one
>at which many men only just start to be able to acheive their potential
>:^)) then he has 7/8 years left…
The game gets younger all the time, the current crop of players don’t.
)
My feeling is that into the thirties will increasingly become "past
it" in this (and many other) sporting fields. I look forward to being
proved wrong.
Kimbo
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
Rob <r…@f1-net.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Lets not forget the materialistic answer to the question that this thread
> asks. As reported in the Daily Telegraph, £6 million a year is better than
> £3 million at Stewart.
According to the Portuguese Autosport, Barrichello will be paid
4.5 million US dollars, so about half that Daily Telegraph figure.
Auto-Hebdo said $5 million plus bonus for points up to a maximum
of $2 million, so $7 million maximum, which is still less than £6
million.
Irvine is getting a better deal from Ford, but I don’t have here
the number ($10 million ?), but I doubt Ford was willing to pay
the same kind of money for Barrichello.
BTW, playing Devil’s advocate, Barrichello reasons might be:
– even the #2 Ferrari will usually better placed than the #1 Jaguar.
– his contract is not as bad as Irvine’s.
– with Irvine in the Jaguar team being paid a lot more than him,
Barrichello would be a "de facto" #2, so his choice was really
between being #2 at Ferrari or #2 at Jaguar.
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
One area that Barrichello might come unstuck is that his driving style is
very different from MS. Irvine liked a similar car to MS – pointy, tending
to oversteer – which meant that he could still effectively use a car
developed for MS.
Barrichello might find the Schumacher Ferrari not to his liking, as he
prefers an understeery car. He might suffer as a result.
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:39 pm
Julie Miles <ju…@rasf1m.org> wrote:
: Driving for Ferrari *used* to be a dream come true, but I don’t think
: it has quite the same attraction today. They still have the history
: and the prestige, but they also have a driver who seems able to make
: his own terms and conditions, to the detriment of the team’s other
: driver.
I don’t think conditions at Ferrari have been this good for a long
time. The political side has settled down and they’re less given to
random behaviour – remember it’s not THAT long since they were sacking
Prost for not being good enough.
I hope that Rubens doesn’t turn into one of those drivers who whine
about unfair treatment re:Schumi. If Ferrari believed for one second
that given equal treatment the second driver would be faster then the
second driver would be the first driver.
: Unless Barrichello has been able to negotiate more favourable
: terms than Irvine operated under, I think this is a bad move for him.
The ferrari will be a faster car than the Stewart for a couple of
years even if all goes incredibly well at Stewart. It takes time to
upscale a team like that and the ford "Drop a suitcase of money and
hope" approach hasn’t worked as quickly as they hoped in Touring Cars or
in Rallying (well, it’s worked a bit in Rallying). If he hasn’t burned
bridges at Stewart then Rubens can go back since JAckie is very keen on
him as a driver.
As a Barichello fan I’m pleased – we’ll finally find out how good he
really _is_.
As a Stewart fan, naturally I’m less happy – I think they’re trading
down by getting Irvine and keeping Herbert on is looking like a mistake
Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.
email: rich…@manor.york.ac.uk
www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:10:11 CST, Luciano said …
> Arrogant, dangerous…. …call him what you will, but MS is pure
> fast and no one will be able to beat him in a Ferrari.
Unfortunately, that’s something we’ll never know, unless the second
driver is allowed to race against Schumacher. You can’t argue that
no-one can beat Schumacher in a Ferrari when no-one has ever been
allowed to try ;-)
> But I do agree with you that Ferrari would be more appealing if
> they offered equal status, at least then drivers would be given
> the chance to challenge MS.
Any driver who goes to Ferrari as number two to Michael Schumacher is
agreeing that he will not have a shot at the drivers’ title while they
are both there. That may be okay for someone who is willing to serve
an apprenticeship as a junior driver, but not for one who is ready to
take his own shot at the title, as I think Barrichello could be.
Cheers,
Julie
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Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
Never ascribe to malice
that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
Kim Andrews <k…@foca.co.uk> wrote:
: On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:10:12 CST, Luciano
:>Then when MS retires (inevitable really) in approximately 3 years,
:>Barri will be in the perfect position to take over as no.1 and do the
:>honours for Marranello….
: By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
: I’d have said.
Gives him another 4-6 years of driving. I think many of the recent
WCs have been over 30. Hill, Prost and Mansell. Not sure about
Hakkinnen and Senna. It would not surprise me if historically the
MAJORITy of world champions had been over 30 at the time of their win.
:>….wishful thinking perhaps, but I believe it could happen if Barri is
:>good enough.
: It’s a nice idea but, I’m not holding my breath.
Well, being no 2 at Maranello has not done Irvines bank balance or
career any harm. He’s had several race wins, four years in a great car
(let’s face it, no car has been as consistently good – the Mclaren was
useless in 96, 97, the Williams useless in 98, 99 – Ferrari has been
a potential race winner in all those years).
Remember also that Barichello has spent his career waiting for teams
to come good. Almost certainly the 2000 Ferrari will be a better car
than the 2000 Stewart.
If, as Barichello claims (in Brazillian newspapers) he will NOT be
contracted as no 2 he has made a great deal. If he has contracted as no
2 he will be learning from the best driver with much more testing than
Stewart has previously been able to offer him and the possibility to be
no 1 when Schumi retires.
The risk, of course, is that Rubinho is a classic understeer driver
and a Schumi developed car may not suit his style much. A good driver
can get round this. [As Berger said of Senna "Really, he had no
particular driving style, he drove each car in the fastest way to drive
that car."]
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Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.
email: rich…@manor.york.ac.uk
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
Richard G Clegg <r…@york.ac.uk> wrote in message news:7r1n5f$4l4
> (let’s face it, no car has been as consistently good – the Mclaren was
> useless in 96, 97, the Williams useless in 98, 99 – Ferrari has been
> a potential race winner in all those years).
The 1996 Ferrari was GOOD?!
It certainly was not.
Tom
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Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:40 pm
One other aspect of this Barrichello-Ferrari deal that must make him smile
at night. Remember, if Williams had paid Stewart the buy out fee required
last year then Rubens could be locked into a deal with Frank now, making him
unavailable for Ferrari….Lucky Boy !
Rob
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 2:40 pm