Rob

> (let’s face it, no car has been as consistently good – the Mclaren was
> useless in 96, 97, the Williams useless in 98, 99 – Ferrari has been
> a potential race winner in all those years).

The 1996 Ferrari was GOOD?! It certainly was not.

Tom
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: On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:10:12 CST, Luciano
:>Then when MS retires  (inevitable really)  in approximately 3 years,
:>Barri will be in the perfect position to take over as no.1 and do the
:>honours for Marranello….
: By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
: I’d have said.

  Gives him another 4-6 years of driving.  I think many of the recent
WCs have been over 30.  Hill, Prost and Mansell.  Not sure about
Hakkinnen and Senna.  It would not surprise me if historically the
MAJORITy of world champions had been over 30 at the time of their win.

:>….wishful thinking perhaps, but I believe it could happen if Barri is
:>good enough.

: It’s a nice idea but, I’m not holding my breath.

  Well, being no 2 at Maranello has not done Irvines bank balance or
career any harm.  He’s had several race wins, four years in a great car
(let’s face it, no car has been as consistently good – the Mclaren was
useless in 96, 97, the Williams useless in 98, 99 – Ferrari has been
a potential race winner in all those years).

  Remember also that Barichello has spent his career waiting for teams
to come good.  Almost certainly the 2000 Ferrari will be a better car
than the 2000 Stewart.

  If, as Barichello claims (in Brazillian newspapers) he will NOT be
contracted as no 2 he has made a great deal.  If he has contracted as no
2 he will be learning from the best driver with much more testing than
Stewart has previously been able to offer him and the possibility to be
no 1 when Schumi retires.

  The risk, of course, is that Rubinho is a classic understeer driver
and a Schumi developed car may not suit his style much.  A good driver
can get round this.  [As Berger said of Senna "Really, he had no
particular driving style, he drove each car in the fastest way to drive
that car."]

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> Arrogant, dangerous….  …call him what you will, but MS is pure
> fast and no one will be able to beat him in a Ferrari.

Unfortunately, that’s something we’ll never know, unless the second
driver is allowed to race against Schumacher.  You can’t argue that
no-one can beat Schumacher in a Ferrari when no-one has ever been
allowed to try  ;-)

> But I do agree with you that Ferrari would be more appealing if
> they offered equal status, at least then drivers would be given
> the chance to challenge MS.

Any driver who goes to Ferrari as number two to Michael Schumacher is
agreeing that he will not have a shot at the drivers’ title while they
are both there.  That may be okay for someone who is willing to serve
an apprenticeship as a junior driver, but not for one who is ready to
take his own shot at the title, as I think Barrichello could be.

Cheers,

Julie
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Julie Miles
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Never ascribe to malice
that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

: Driving for Ferrari *used* to be a dream come true, but I don’t think
: it has quite the same attraction today.  They still have the history
: and the prestige, but they also have a driver who seems able to make
: his own terms and conditions, to the detriment of the team’s other
: driver.  

  I don’t think conditions at Ferrari have been this good for a long
time.  The political side has settled down and they’re less given to
random behaviour – remember it’s not THAT long since they were sacking
Prost for not being good enough.

  I hope that Rubens doesn’t turn into one of those drivers who whine
about unfair treatment re:Schumi.  If Ferrari believed for one second
that given equal treatment the second driver would be faster then the
second driver would be the first driver.

: Unless Barrichello has been able to negotiate more favourable
: terms than Irvine operated under, I think this is a bad move for him.

  The ferrari will be a faster car than the Stewart for a couple of
years even if all goes incredibly well at Stewart.  It takes time to
upscale a team like that and the ford "Drop a suitcase of money and
hope" approach hasn’t worked as quickly as they hoped in Touring Cars or
in Rallying (well, it’s worked a bit in Rallying).  If he hasn’t burned
bridges at Stewart then Rubens can go back since JAckie is very keen on
him as a driver.

  As a Barichello fan I’m pleased – we’ll finally find out how good he
really _is_.

  As a Stewart fan, naturally I’m less happy – I think they’re trading
down by getting Irvine and keeping Herbert on is looking like a mistake

Richard G. Clegg     Only the mind is waving
Dept. of Mathematics (Network Control group) Uni. of York.
email: rich…@manor.york.ac.uk  
www: http://manor.york.ac.uk/top.html

Barrichello might find the Schumacher Ferrari not to his liking, as he
prefers an understeery car. He might suffer as a result.

According to the Portuguese Autosport, Barrichello will be paid
4.5 million US dollars, so about half that Daily Telegraph figure.
Auto-Hebdo said $5 million plus bonus for points up to a maximum
of $2 million, so $7 million maximum, which is still less than £6
million.

Irvine is getting a better deal from Ford, but I don’t have here
the number ($10 million ?), but I doubt Ford was willing to pay
the same kind of money for Barrichello.

BTW, playing Devil’s advocate, Barrichello reasons might be:
– even the #2 Ferrari will usually better placed than the #1 Jaguar.
– his contract is not as bad as Irvine’s.
– with Irvine in the Jaguar team being paid a lot more than him,
  Barrichello would be a "de facto" #2, so his choice was really
  between being #2 at Ferrari or #2 at Jaguar.

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>Kim Andrews wrote:
>> By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
>> I’d have said.
>Rubens has time on his hands I would say, he’s one of the youngest in
>the top teams by a few years, and if his career lasts as long as many
>(shall we say till he is 35, which BTW is a very good age indeed and one
>at which many men only just start to be able to acheive their potential
>:^)) then he has 7/8 years left…

The game gets younger all the time, the current crop of players don’t.
My feeling is that into the thirties will increasingly become "past
it" in this (and many other) sporting fields.  I look forward to being
proved wrong. )

Kimbo

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rob

Kim Andrews wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:10:12 CST, Luciano
> <Luci…@melito.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> >Then when MS retires  (inevitable really)  in approximately 3 years,
> >Barri will be in the perfect position to take over as no.1 and do the
> >honours for Marranello….
> By which time Rubens will be 30/31 years old… leaving it rather late
> I’d have said.

?

Rubens has time on his hands I would say, he’s one of the youngest in
the top teams by a few years, and if his career lasts as long as many
(shall we say till he is 35, which BTW is a very good age indeed and one
at which many men only just start to be able to acheive their potential
:^)) then he has 7/8 years left…

There has been a lot of chatter regarding Rubens mental "weaknesses", I
think many forget that
he is still relatively young, and was only 22 when Senna was killed…
People mature and develop mental strength as

I reckon this could be a good move for RB, Michaels star is on the wane
methinks, and if Rubens gets on his pace quickly (not impossible looking
at his recent performanances, then tings will be very interesting indeed
chez Ferrari…

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