: For the purposes of this analysis, I only count what I call "genuine"
: passing manoeuvres, which means that I always exclude:
: <snip>
: 13     5   Villeneuve (Räikkönen)
: 17     6   Montoya (Räikkönen)

        Can these be called "genuine" passing manoevres since Kimi
        was already running on 9 cylinders at the time which cost
        him top speed on the main straight ? He couldn’t do anything
        about it so at least they are no-contest passes.

                TTT

[ Ferrari - does money give success? ]

> They are spending it in the right places with the best people from a
> position of strength. Why should we expect anybody to catch them in the
> short term?

I don’t.  I think we’ll see more of the same in 2003, as you said yourself.

However, I was just nit-picking in that spending money on it’s own doesn’t
guarantee success (look at Ferrari in the 1980s and early 90s!).  As you
say, it needs to be in the right places and with the right people.

–
Richard.

"And he never shows his feelings, But the fool on the hill."

<runnyhu…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>In message <t44tpu89gugk747bu3htohuu29qkfpa…@4ax.com>
>          David Betts <dav…@motorsport.org.uk> wrote:

>> I would be very surprised if Ferrari are anything other than totally
>> dominant again next year. They are already far advanced with their
>> ultra-small engine – it’s on the test bed – and are spending an order of
>> magnitude more money than anybody else.

>Since when does spending more money guarantee success?!  I thought that
>Ferrari have always spent the most money, but it’s only been the couple of
>years when we’ve seen them dominanate.

They are spending it in the right places with the best people from a
position of strength. Why should we expect anybody to catch them in
the short term?

David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)

"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner

British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg

>David Betts wrote:

>> McLaren are continuing to develop this car, which will be used for the
>> early part of next season. The proper 2003 car, which probably won’t
>> race before Imola, will be all new. It is being designed around a new,
>> ultra-small engine which is being developed by Ilmor.

>If this really works out, it bodes well for F1 next year.  Williams,
>while good when they were good, never really threatened.  Having both
>Williams and McLaren to hound Ferrari would spice things up.

I would be very surprised if Ferrari are anything other than totally
dominant again next year. They are already far advanced with their
ultra-small engine – it’s on the test bed – and are spending an order
of magnitude more money than anybody else.

It seems likely that these engines will be one-season wonders as well,
if the ‘one engine per weekend’ rules really are to be applied in
2004. Renault have already said that they will continue to develop
their low-line engine for next season, but will have to start again
for 2004 as there is no way it can be made reliable enough.

If the object of the one-engine rule is to save money it is failing
dramatically.

David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)

"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner

British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg

> I would be very surprised if Ferrari are anything other than totally
> dominant again next year. They are already far advanced with their
> ultra-small engine – it’s on the test bed – and are spending an order of
> magnitude more money than anybody else.

Since when does spending more money guarantee success?!  I thought that
Ferrari have always spent the most money, but it’s only been the couple of
years when we’ve seen them dominanate.  Oh, and BAR…

–
Richard.

"You think you lost your love, when I saw her yesterday."

McLaren are continuing to develop this car, which will be used for the
early part of next season. The proper 2003 car, which probably won’t
race before Imola, will be all new. It is being designed around a new,
ultra-small engine which is being developed by Ilmor.

David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)

"In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner

British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg

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David Betts wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:40:53 GMT, Anand <an…@cisco.com> wrote:

>>        Alexander Wurz has broken the Catalunya lap record, in the MP4-17B,
>>with components that will go in next years car.

> McLaren are continuing to develop this car, which will be used for the
> early part of next season. The proper 2003 car, which probably won’t
> race before Imola, will be all new. It is being designed around a new,
> ultra-small engine which is being developed by Ilmor.

> David Betts (dav…@motorsport.org.uk)

> "In the end it’s always a matter of more accelerator and less brake" – Frank Gardner

> British Racing Green: http://dbetts.motorsport.org.uk/brg

If this really works out, it bodes well for F1 next year.  Williams,
while good when they were good, never really threatened.  Having both
Williams and McLaren to hound Ferrari would spice things up.

dillon